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Post by sauerkraut on Feb 28, 2023 13:54:40 GMT -5
We are only seeing a tiny slice of time. Some decades. In the scheme of 100's, 1000's, 10,000's, etc years our tiny observations arent necessarily statistically significant. Sure there is no way us humans can change anything on the earth. Volcanos emit tons of toxic fumes and Earth had some real whoppers thru history and the planet (and life) is still here. Earth survived two times when it was a ball of ice as in "Snowball Earth" 2.4 billion years ago and again 600 million years ago-the whole planet was snow & ice even the tropical zones. Life has come and gone on Earth - animals come and go those that can't adapt to climate changes are wiped out. Dinosaurs got wiped out. Something else that's interesting is Earth seems to have a regular extinction event every 120 million years and no one is sure why but it's so much like clockwork it's not likely to be a coincidence. All sorts of theories are out there from an asteroid disturbing the Oort cloud and sending the rocks in toward Earth, to a unseen planet or red dwarf star that has a orbit of 120 million years..
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Post by sauerkraut on Feb 28, 2023 14:02:27 GMT -5
Climate change is a war on human beings. They want to create fear. And the "carbon" they want to control is you. Creating fear so people will give up their liberties to be controlled and corralled. Yep in the 1970's it was a coming ice age and New York harbor was supposed to covered in ice by the year 2000 but of course it never happened."Climate Change" has always been 10 years into the future, in 1995 they said we have only 10 years to solve the problem the time comes and goes and no one follows it up then they say we have 10 more years till certain doom on & on. It's all political and IMO this is one of the biggest hoaxes ever done world wide. The ones who suffer the most with those climate accords are the USA the other western nations, but I got a feeling many western nations don't follow it or they cheat, China says they will follow the climate accord in 2032 but they won't. Here in the USA we seem to be the only nation that follows the climate accord rules very strictly- if they agree to cut CO2 emissions by 40% the USA will just close factories and destroy our economy to get at the 40% level, tax the people all they can raise utility rates to the moon. While the other nations laugh.
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Post by sauerkraut on Feb 28, 2023 14:07:09 GMT -5
To those who want to believe it's a hoax, no amount of blizzards in California, winter tornadoes in the south, heat waves in usually mild temperature countries or devastating floods worldwide can convince them or make them question why such things are occurring with more frequency. We have had all those things long before man was spraying his underarms. Today everything is climate change related- be it too hot, too dry, too cold, too wet, floods, snow, ice, cold, heat, it's all climate change- nothing is just natural climate anymore. it's a political agenda geared to control the people there is no science involved except 'scientists' who are on some payroll and if they come out and prove that climate change is a hoax they are out of a job. Today we have more snow then ever and Al Gore said long ago that after the year 2014 there would be no more snow mother earth got too hot for snow. That can be googled.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 15:49:07 GMT -5
It will always be 'some time in the future'. You have to believe. Unfalsifiability (also known as: untestability) Description: Confidently asserting that a theory or hypothesis is true or false even though the theory or hypothesis cannot possibly be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of any physical experiment, usually without strong evidence or good reasons.
Making unfalsifiable claims is a way to leave the realm of rational discourse, since unfalsifiable claims are often faith-based, and not founded on evidence and reason.link
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 8:23:53 GMT -5
It will always be 'some time in the future'. You have to believe. Unfalsifiability (also known as: untestability) Description: Confidently asserting that a theory or hypothesis is true or false even though the theory or hypothesis cannot possibly be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of any physical experiment, usually without strong evidence or good reasons.
Making unfalsifiable claims is a way to leave the realm of rational discourse, since unfalsifiable claims are often faith-based, and not founded on evidence and reason.linkThe funny thing about reality is that it doesn't care if you believe or not So you don't believe in the AGW hoax ? I always thought you were a true believer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 9:17:58 GMT -5
So you don't believe in the AGW hoax ? I always thought you were a true believer. I am a true accepter of the scientific evidence. If somehow scientists got it all wrong then that would be awesome. Since my grandchildren are educated people who share the same view as me they won't hate me. And I would be pushing for the same shift away from a petroleum based civilization as I am doing now since we will eventually run out of oil. But if YOU are wrong...well, I hope you don't have grandchildren. What would happen to them ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 9:23:47 GMT -5
What would happen to them ? They will suffer the consequences of your denial and will curse your name. Bottom line is I have nothing to lose and everything to gain pursuing my course where you have everything to lose and nothing to gain (other than shot-sighted continuance of wasteful policies). What consequences ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 14:29:08 GMT -5
It is proven daily by the results we can continue to see that will only get worse over time. The only thing proven is there are more reports of inclement weather.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 14:54:10 GMT -5
The only thing proven is there are more reports of inclement weather. Like I say you can take your chances on being wrong or agree to making a shift away from petroleum dependence since oil will eventually run out. Your choice. Peak oil predictions has been a thing since the 1970's. Not really concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 19:06:31 GMT -5
Peak oil predictions has been a thing since the 1970's. Not really concerned. Do you think we will never run out? No, not really concerned. Of course you can ask that question about anything.
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Post by Justbec on Mar 1, 2023 19:07:26 GMT -5
Of course you can ask that question about anything. Like Lithium batteries? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 19:07:55 GMT -5
Peak oil predictions has been a thing since the 1970's. Not really concerned. Do you think we will never run out? I do not think we will ever run out. No
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 19:13:46 GMT -5
Of course you can ask that question about anything. Like Lithium batteries? LOL There already isn't enough lithium to go around, and the electric car laws mandated in some areas, hasn't had time for the ink to dry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 19:19:24 GMT -5
Yeah they talk about "running out of oil" but never talk about running out of RARE earth elements when required on a mass scale.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 20:00:06 GMT -5
Gee, don't dig up this stuff! Go over HERE and dig up THIS stuff instead! See that's sooo much better to use something far more rare and less available! Now i feel GOOD! Give my greenie treat!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 22:51:43 GMT -5
There already isn't enough lithium to go around, and the electric car laws mandated in some areas, hasn't had time for the ink to dry. So there is not enough lithium but there is an endless supply of oil. got it. Who said that ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 22:55:31 GMT -5
I mean if there is so much oil left why are people resorting to sucking it out of tar sands? Seriously, use the heads God gave you and THINK. You would have to ask a Canadian about that one, to know for sure. My educated guess is they find it economically profitable at today's prices.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 22:56:28 GMT -5
You were quoting me instead of her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 22:59:24 GMT -5
You were quoting me instead of her. You appeared to agree with her How so ? I was agreeing with bec on lithium supply being limited, because it is.
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