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Post by sb on May 22, 2023 13:53:46 GMT -5
So nobody is going to bother to answer my question then?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 13:56:51 GMT -5
The hypocrisy of being both anti-abortion and pro-gun surely cannot be missed? So then one cannot be pro- abortion and anti-gun then either? Killing by abortion ok , killing by gun not???
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 14:04:29 GMT -5
Being pro-gun is about protecting life. Using guns to protect a country with an army. Guns to protect society with police. Guns to protect your own self and home. Nobody that I know who is supports gun rights is advocating for illegally murdering someone. Murder is illegal. And anyone murdering someone with a gun should be held accountable.
As for abortion, if you believe that the child the woman is carrying is a HUMAN BEING, then seems pretty hard to be in favor of that. Does that mean there aren't some hard cases? Yes, there absolutely are. And, if you wish to spell out a policy that covers that but does not then allow abortion on demand and for convenience, then let's see it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 14:11:33 GMT -5
Yes really. Because your projection of 'turn a blind eye' is an outright lie. Being a gun owner youself, is what will make me laugh at your attempt to transfer the guilt of criminals onto law abiding citizens that own guns. You are one of those citizens. Do you turn a blind eye to criminals that kill children because you own a gun and are not a member of the military as im2 is stating ? Seeing a bit of blatant hypocrisy from you on this. Hypocrisy would be banning abortion, taking away womens reproductive rights and choices pretending you are doing this to save babies then in turn refusing to even acknowledge the children killed by guns as if it is collateral damage for your right to bear arms. You seem to be missing my point, in regards to blatant hypocrisy. Do you own a gun, or guns. (I already know the answer, just re-asking for this conversation's sake)
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Post by apple on May 22, 2023 14:30:34 GMT -5
Being pro-gun is about protecting life. Using guns to protect a country with an army. Guns to protect society with police. Guns to protect your own self and home. Nobody that I know who is supports gun rights is advocating for illegally murdering someone. Murder is illegal. And anyone murdering someone with a gun should be held accountable. As for abortion, if you believe that the child the woman is carrying is a HUMAN BEING, then seems pretty hard to be in favor of that. Does that mean there aren't some hard cases? Yes, there absolutely are. And, if you wish to spell out a policy that covers that but does not then allow abortion on demand and for convenience, then let's see it. You skipped the staggering amount of children killed by guns in America. You have more guns than people so by your account America should be the safest place on earth. It isn't, especially for children.
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Post by apple on May 22, 2023 14:31:44 GMT -5
Hypocrisy would be banning abortion, taking away womens reproductive rights and choices pretending you are doing this to save babies then in turn refusing to even acknowledge the children killed by guns as if it is collateral damage for your right to bear arms. You seem to be missing my point, in regards to blatant hypocrisy. Do you own a gun, or guns. (I already know the answer, just re-asking for this conversation's sake) I am not that smart, maybe you can spell it out for me. No big words please.
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Post by 🦍MAXX>ⓤ on May 22, 2023 14:43:21 GMT -5
So is your opinion that abortion needs to be banned no matter what??? Don't know how you got "banned no matter what" out of "restrict". Don't know how you didn't realize that was a question...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 14:48:11 GMT -5
You seem to be missing my point, in regards to blatant hypocrisy. Do you own a gun, or guns. (I already know the answer, just re-asking for this conversation's sake) I am not that smart, maybe you can spell it out for me. No big words please. Do....you....own.....a.... gun....or.....guns.
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Post by apple on May 22, 2023 14:56:19 GMT -5
I am not that smart, maybe you can spell it out for me. No big words please. Do....you....own.....a.... gun....or.....guns. Yes. They are in the gun safe.
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Post by apple on May 22, 2023 14:58:54 GMT -5
The hypocrisy of being both anti-abortion and pro-gun surely cannot be missed? So then one cannot be pro- abortion and anti-gun then either? Killing by abortion ok , killing by gun not??? No. I AM SAYING LEAVE PEOPLES CHOICES TO THEMSELVES. Dont complain about gun owners rights being taken away and then take away womens right to choose.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 14:59:43 GMT -5
Do....you....own.....a.... gun....or.....guns. Yes. They are in the gun safe. Do you turn a blind eye to children being killed by guns ?
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Post by apple on May 22, 2023 15:05:52 GMT -5
Yes. They are in the gun safe. Do you turn a blind eye to children being killed by guns ? My guns are locked up. Not loaded in my purse or in a drawer where kids could get them.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 15:05:57 GMT -5
So then one cannot be pro- abortion and anti-gun then either? Killing by abortion ok , killing by gun not??? No. I AM SAYING LEAVE PEOPLES CHOICES TO THEMSELVES. Dont complain about gun owners rights being taken away and then take away womens right to choose. Are you familiar with how a republic with democratically elected representatives works?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 15:07:27 GMT -5
Do you turn a blind eye to children being killed by guns ? My guns are locked up. Not loaded in my purse or in a drawer where kids could get them. Do you turn a blind eye to children being killed by guns ? Your's aren't the only ones in existence.. As an aside however, you are making and living IRL, my law abiding citizen argument. Is your government wrong, in allowing you to own those guns ?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 15:58:00 GMT -5
Being pro-gun is about protecting life. Using guns to protect a country with an army. Guns to protect society with police. Guns to protect your own self and home. Nobody that I know who is supports gun rights is advocating for illegally murdering someone. Murder is illegal. And anyone murdering someone with a gun should be held accountable. As for abortion, if you believe that the child the woman is carrying is a HUMAN BEING, then seems pretty hard to be in favor of that. Does that mean there aren't some hard cases? Yes, there absolutely are. And, if you wish to spell out a policy that covers that but does not then allow abortion on demand and for convenience, then let's see it. You skipped the staggering amount of children killed by guns in America. You have more guns than people so by your account America should be the safest place on earth. It isn't, especially for children. And I am in favor of fully prosecuting criminals. And I also think we should prosecute negligent gun owners as well for any 'accidents" that happen or if their kid is taking a gun somewhere, etc. The ADULTS have the responsibility to keep children safe from guns. The reality of the world is that guns actually give woman more power. A woman with a gun has a chance against against a man. A women without a gun has no chance. And yes, that is not a perfect scenario. A man can overpower and take the gun. If you have a gun someone could overpower you and use it on you. Guns are lethal and anyone who does not approach a gun with complete and sober seriousness is a fool.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 16:00:05 GMT -5
And I already support gun laws. And I support serious penalties for gun crimes. Where is the seriousness to prosecute gun crime in Chicago or blue states? Yet I don't see any liberal caring about that.
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Post by apple on May 22, 2023 16:50:59 GMT -5
You skipped the staggering amount of children killed by guns in America. You have more guns than people so by your account America should be the safest place on earth. It isn't, especially for children. And I am in favor of fully prosecuting criminals. And I also think we should prosecute negligent gun owners as well for any 'accidents" that happen or if their kid is taking a gun somewhere, etc. The ADULTS have the responsibility to keep children safe from guns. The reality of the world is that guns actually give woman more power. A woman with a gun has a chance against against a man. A women without a gun has no chance. And yes, that is not a perfect scenario. A man can overpower and take the gun. If you have a gun someone could overpower you and use it on you. Guns are lethal and anyone who does not approach a gun with complete and sober seriousness is a fool. I agree with you for the most part. People need to be responsible. How often does a woman with a gun have the gun taken against her? I refuse to live in fear with a loaded gun by my side. NRA pushes that fear because it financially benefits them.
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Post by apple on May 22, 2023 16:52:11 GMT -5
And I already support gun laws. And I support serious penalties for gun crimes. Where is the seriousness to prosecute gun crime in Chicago or blue states? Yet I don't see any liberal caring about that. I believe any crime committed with a gun should have an automatic 10 year sentence.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 16:53:35 GMT -5
And I am in favor of fully prosecuting criminals. And I also think we should prosecute negligent gun owners as well for any 'accidents" that happen or if their kid is taking a gun somewhere, etc. The ADULTS have the responsibility to keep children safe from guns. The reality of the world is that guns actually give woman more power. A woman with a gun has a chance against against a man. A women without a gun has no chance. And yes, that is not a perfect scenario. A man can overpower and take the gun. If you have a gun someone could overpower you and use it on you. Guns are lethal and anyone who does not approach a gun with complete and sober seriousness is a fool. I agree with you for the most part. People need to be responsible. How often does a woman with a gun have the gun taken against her? I refuse to live in fear with a loaded gun by my side. NRA pushes that fear because it financially benefits them. Well i agree. You have to be very cautious about carrying a gun. Do not carry one if you are not willing to use it quickly and in a confident way. If you hesitate, you will probably be stripped of the gun and possibly killed with your own gun. I completely agree that being too casual about that can endanger yourself. However, if I hear someone breaking in and I want to have the means to protect myself from an immediate threat.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 16:54:13 GMT -5
And I already support gun laws. And I support serious penalties for gun crimes. Where is the seriousness to prosecute gun crime in Chicago or blue states? Yet I don't see any liberal caring about that. I believe any crime committed with a gun should have an automatic 10 year sentence. Do you really want laws with automatic sentencing? I would be surprised to see any other liberals support that.
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