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Post by deyana on Jun 22, 2010 12:13:43 GMT -5
This is an interesting subject, wasn't sure which branch to put this in, but I'd like to look at and discuss 'Personality disorders' from a more scientific view if possible. We come across so many different kinds of people during our life time don't we? Some are good, some are not. Some we discover have some kind of mental disorders that are at first very hard to diagnose. Especially, if like me, you have never been in contact with such a person before. Anyway, I came across this book by Dr. Robert D. Hare, it's called 'Without Conscience' Here's a link to it: www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=book&id=65&cn=8Quote from the book: The crucial issue is how to describe psychopaths. They are certainly self-centered and often act impulsively. They lie a great deal, and manipulate others for their personal gain. Sometimes they are violent. Often they do stupid things which lead to getting caught and often put in jail. Yet psychopaths are often charming and manipulative, which helps to explain how they regularly get early parole, and why they manage to dupe people in the first place. This leads us to the first of the central puzzles concerning this disorder: are psychopaths coldly calculating or do they rely on their instincts? The second main puzzle is how to describe their lack of conscience. What is clear is that psychopaths do not feel great sympathy for the people they hurt. But is this because they are morally bad, or alternatively is it because they have a personality or cognitive deficit?
This is very interesting and informative. I think I might have to buy the book to discover more. Any thoughts on this interesting subject at all?
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Post by deyana on Jun 22, 2010 13:05:28 GMT -5
I doubt if one really knows the manipulator's motives. I suspect it's done in an underhand and cunning way to deceive anyone and everyone. It's just horrible.
And that's a scary thought. I think it's good to educate one's self on these kind of things, just so one is aware of what is out there. Ignorance is not bliss, when it comes to things like this.
I wonder what kind of medication they have to take? Many different kinds or just the one? I also wonder if people who have this kind of disorder have other disorders that go with it? Maybe some do and some don't...
It looks like it can be a life long thing. No 'cure' as such. Maybe the medication helps keep them 'real' and less erratic?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 20:54:24 GMT -5
There is much much more to personality disorders that can be reasonably covered here. Somewhere in the dusty rackspace is the DSM-IV, which lists all types of mental disorders. It will be interesting to see what the DSM-5 will bring about. My sense is some of the disorders will be quietly dropped, and some marked as not requiring medications. That is all I have to say on this topic
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2010 23:58:43 GMT -5
Apparantly Im high functioning and nowhere near as bad as a lot of bpd sufferers, so I take comfort from that! Are you under treatment ?
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Post by queenfreaky on Sept 26, 2010 4:34:41 GMT -5
I was given anti depressents when I was first diagnosed to help with the depressivee pisodes.They took them away but as a consequence I felt absolutly nothing instead. i have nt taken them for a long time now. I had a course of cognitative behaviour therapy which has now finished. Im just waiting for an appt to "sign me out". I cope better now, Im hoping I wont need medication again.
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Post by deyana on Sept 26, 2010 9:25:54 GMT -5
You sound like you are doing well, queenf.
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Post by queenfreaky on Sept 27, 2010 3:17:51 GMT -5
mine was a 1 to 1 as apparantly a group of people with bpd all sitting in one room could be quite difficult ("Im more sick then u are, I feel worse then u do, are u looking at me funny? what did u mean by that? Im fat, no IM fat") I recieved cbt at my local mental health clinic which I was referred to by my gp, as regular docters dont "specalise" in mental health and I had to see a psychiatrist for a diagnosis who then referred me to a social worker for the cbt. It was ok, some of it worked for me, other things did nt, but you do need a bit of an open mind and a willingness to try things. Theres lots of different techniques depending on what you need help for most, some things are like visualization techniques (which made me feel stoopid : , some excersises were reading, others breathing and relaxation, others about helping your self esteem etc etc. I had to talk about myself a lot and do a lot of soul searching, as they encourage you to find answers to your problems yourself, so it was rather enlightening too. I would reccomend it, as Id rather do that, then swallow a handfull of meds
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Post by queenfreaky on Nov 5, 2010 13:14:52 GMT -5
as an update Im now doing group thereapy which Im obliged to do as part of my 'recovery preocress' and in order to sign me out of the mental health unti. Its not that bad, but Im with people who dont have the same kind of problems as me, and apparantly mine are more 'intense' and concerned with mental health specifiacally. A lot of whatis covered does nt apply to me and more of it I have done on a 1-1 basis, but its good to meet other people with 'problems'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2010 18:14:19 GMT -5
This is an interesting subject and as most of you have said, you or someone you know has personality disorders. Actually, I don't like the word disorders because: what defines a perfect personality? Actually personality is defined as the distinctive qualities and traits of an individual and social and personal traits that make a person appealing. I think it would be more correct to call them a dysfunctional personality. I believe that there degrees of dysfunction and the more sever the dysfunction the more antisocial people become.
When I discussed codependency with my doctor, she said that women, especially are codependent and that when codependency becomes pathological then the person is dysfunctional.
Queen F, I believe "normal" should be thrown out of the dictionary. As I said before, how do we define "perfect personality" and I think the same goes for "normal" All of this has to do with childhood and how one develops their personality. There have been many studies and articles written about a baby's mental development and I have read that babies are much more aware of their surroundings at a very early age. There is a book called Children of Trauma that has taught me why I have trust issues with people and I know know why I haven't ever been able to have close relationships, except with my husband. Interesting book. i will get the author and post it.
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Post by deyana on Nov 5, 2010 18:37:35 GMT -5
Yes, please do let us know more about this book, t63. It is an interesting subject. I agree, who is to say what is 'normal', we are all products of everything that life has thrown at us. It seems to me that people who have a few eccentric or odd behaviors are usually the happiest. Why should everyone have to fit into a little box, as society dictates?
Queenf, looks like you are doing everything you can to help yourself, so good for you.
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Post by deyana on Nov 6, 2010 8:45:30 GMT -5
Good question. I'm glad you bought this up. And I honestly think a traumatic childhood does impact the rest of our lives. We can try any number of ways to get over it, and to some extent we can, but never completely. It is a part of us and how we are made. Someone once said that a child is like a blank slate, and every experience writes something on that slate.
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Post by deyana on Nov 6, 2010 14:25:10 GMT -5
I would think so, but I'm no expert. I think some are afraid to seek help, when they really could do with it. If I ever came across someone who seemed paranoid, obsessed, angry or violent I would definitely stay away from them. That applies in cyberspace as well as in real life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 16:21:15 GMT -5
Here is the author, book: Children of Trauma, rediscovering your discarded self. Jane Middelton -Moz. I find this to be very interesting; she writes;"Children are not born with a conscience(the voice telling you right from wrong) or empathy. They do not grow automatically as our bodies do, but grow by the lessons taught by adults involved in the child's early life.
To me that says that if this is lacking in your early life, then you can grow to be antisocial and even dangerous. How many times have you heard about young children killing animals, just to see them die or see what it feels like to kill someone or some animal.
There is another one that I also have ,called:
Living in the Comfort Zone - The Gift of Boundaries in Relationships author Rokelle Lerner. I found both on Amazon.com
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Post by queenfreaky on Nov 6, 2010 17:49:38 GMT -5
i think issues of violence etc etc depends on the person and the type of personality disorder they have. everyones different and 2 people who suffer from the same problem may react and feel completly different things at different times. Im not violent as Im termes 'inward acting'. yet someone with bpd who is 'outward acting' can have violent outbursts
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Post by deyana on Nov 6, 2010 19:08:51 GMT -5
t63, I'm looking those books up as we speak. I really want to read them.
I've always said the the same thing. Children are not born with a conscience or knowing how to show empathy, it has to be taught to them. I vividly remember those lessons being taught to me as a child. If somehow those lessons are missed, then that's when you get the kind of behaviors you mention.
queenf, yes it's true. I had a friend in the UK who was bi-polar. She was not violent at all and yet I know others with this disorder can be. It all depends on the person..
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Post by deyana on Nov 7, 2010 8:08:16 GMT -5
^ yes, I agree. Character develops with the knocks you take in life. The more knocks you endure the stronger the character you develop. Unless you can't handle the knocks - and so that personality can go haywire. I think it all depends on how we are wired, and that all comes from our life experiences, and maybe to some extent it's genetic too. I dunno, I'm just guessing here..I'm not sure.
Sometimes it's hard to make sense of this crazy world that we live in.
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