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Post by mikemarshall3 on Mar 21, 2022 12:47:33 GMT -5
Believing in a plurality of worlds is not remotely the same as acceptance of the many absurd claims made by some of the wilder fringes of the UFO community.
How many people are aware that there is an invariant reaction between UFO sightings and earthquake activity?
How many people are aware that not a single UFO sighting was reported in the States before the arrival at White Sands of Wernher von Braun and other Nazi scientists?
How many people are aware that the Nazis spent time and money in attempting to develop flying discs? One of them was even patented in America in the early 1950s.
How many people are aware that there is a large proportion of the UFO community that has swallowed whole a string of fantasies put out by Nazis and neo-Nazis from Ernst Zuendel (the notorious Holocaust denier) onwards?
I will dig out some references and post them on here to attempt to bring some rationality to the question.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 13:39:48 GMT -5
Interesting, thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 13:48:58 GMT -5
I believe there is life on other planets, but not advanced life that can travel between stars. It took hundreds of millions of years of other lifeforms on this earth, and wiped out several times, before humans even came about. Some other planets and life must have escaped those cataclysmic events and been around for many millions of years more than us and would had become advanced. But still no planetary travel or communication seems to exist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 14:04:14 GMT -5
I believe there is life on other planets, but not advanced life that can travel between stars. It took hundreds of millions of years of other lifeforms on this earth, and wiped out several times, before humans even came about. Some other planets must have escaped those cataclysmic events and been around for many millions of years more than us and would had become advanced. But still no planetary travel or communication seems to exist. I think I am more likely to believe in the Multiverse. Any thoughts on that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 14:07:56 GMT -5
We don't know how vast space is so there could very well be many Universe's out there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 14:11:19 GMT -5
I believe there is life on other planets, but not advanced life that can travel between stars. It took hundreds of millions of years of other lifeforms on this earth, and wiped out several times, before humans even came about. Some other planets must have escaped those cataclysmic events and been around for many millions of years more than us and would had become advanced. But still no planetary travel or communication seems to exist. I think I am more likely to believe in the Multiverse. Any thoughts on that? I've seen shows explaining the concept of the Multiverse on things like The Science Channel. The hypothetical concept is just too way out there for me to grasp. But I did like the show 'Sliders' if that counts?
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Post by sauerkraut on Mar 24, 2022 9:34:15 GMT -5
Miss Ohio sent me a picture once of a demonic spirit in her bedroom a couple years ago and it scared the sh!t out of me although I downplayed it at the time. No we are not alone If there is evil there must also be a good force. I dunno if spirits are considered alien life forms, they seem to part of Earth.
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Post by sauerkraut on Mar 24, 2022 9:41:42 GMT -5
What is really boggling is how big some stars are, we think our Sun is huge and it dwarfs all other planets in our solar system, there are stars that dwarf our sun, our mighty Sun is just a tiny ball next to some of those huge monster stars. Betelgeuse is so large if placed by the sun it would gobble up all the orbits to Jupiter. Betelgeuse about 500-600 light years from Earth in Orion. There are some stars so large that if placed where the sun is they can take up our whole solar system. I'm into Astronomy so I find this stuff interesting. Regel is a hot huge blue star smaller than Betelgeuse but larger than our Sun, it burns super hot emits heavy UV rays.
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Post by Rusty on Mar 24, 2022 18:22:07 GMT -5
Miss Ohio sent me a picture once of a demonic spirit in her bedroom a couple years ago and it scared the sh!t out of me although I downplayed it at the time. No we are not alone If there is evil there must also be a good force. I dunno if spirits are considered alien life forms, they seem to part of Earth. Don't know if it was good or evil but it sure was freaky.
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Post by sauerkraut on Apr 17, 2022 8:46:05 GMT -5
It really seems like it. Distances in space are so vast and travel is dangerous with all the cosmic rays and space radiation. We can't even get to our next door planet Mars yet and that's nothing. It took the Voyager space craft over 10 years to reach the outskirts of the solar system and that was the fastest vehicle man has made so far. Star travel is even worse. The nearest star is over 4-light years away and we can't even travel anywhere close to the speed of light. Yes you are right. I have heard people use that argument (Not that you are) to prove that Aliens have never visited. It's kind of the 'Well we can't do it, so the can't." My argument has always been that just because our physics don't allow it doesn't mean it's the same for them. The laws of physics are supposed to be the same all over, gravity and the speed light work the same here as they do across the universe. There is a good episode on the old TV show "The Universe" season six titled "UFO's The Real Deal" or something like that. They bring up many interesting points about star travel. The episode may be on youtube. Talk about a UFO's seen making fast right angle turns on a dime or traveling at a high rate of speed and then stopping in a second would kill any being inside, even fighter jet pilots have to wear special suits when they fly fast to avoid blacking out. The only way a UFO can make such high speed turns would be if it was driven by a robot or flying automatically. Then ya have strange drawings from the past on caves that seem to point to space aliens, or how did they build the pyramids without alien help and things like that- there are many strange things that can't be explained.
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Post by John on Jun 22, 2022 18:25:09 GMT -5
I do not believe that there are all the galaxies with suns and planets like scientists claim. The idea that this is true is based on the sun being a star, and stars being distant suns. I do not believe that. I see the sun as a different creation from the stars, and do not believe the stars are as far away as they claim, or as big as they claim. I do believe there is life in places beyond this earth, but they are angelic beings.
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 25, 2022 9:01:01 GMT -5
The TV show "The Universe"(season six) has a episode called "UFO's The real Deal" they bring up all sorts of interesting points about aliens traveling in space, not just the distances but the deadly radiation, and loss of bone due to no gravity. Flying saucers making fast 90 degree turns and stopping on a dime in mid air would kill any living being inside it due to the "G" forces- so if they are real they are robot controlled saucers. The distances are so vast in space that even going at the speed of light won't cut it, and it's possible to even go the speed of light the fastest in theory you can go is 99% the speed of light.
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Post by sb on Jun 25, 2022 11:06:28 GMT -5
Believing in a plurality of worlds is not remotely the same as acceptance of the many absurd claims made by some of the wilder fringes of the UFO community. How many people are aware that there is an invariant reaction between UFO sightings and earthquake activity? How many people are aware that not a single UFO sighting was reported in the States before the arrival at White Sands of Wernher von Braun and other Nazi scientists? p How many people are aware that the Nazis spent time and money in attempting to develop flying discs? One of them was even patented in America in the early 1950s. How many people are aware that there is a large proportion of the UFO community that has swallowed whole a string of fantasies put out by Nazis and neo-Nazis from Ernst Zuendel (the notorious Holocaust denier) onwards? I will dig out some references and post them on here to attempt to bring some rationality to the question. Regarding the start of UFO sightings, people have been seeing anomalous things in the sky forever. WWII pilots reported seeing Foo Fighters during their missions. Charles Forte documented a number of anomalous sighting in his early 20th century writings. Back in the 1880s there were a number of sighting of “airships” mostly in the western U.S. states. You can even find various odd reports of anomalous arial sightings in the writings of medieval authors, usually assigning them to the doings of angels. UFOs have a long history all over the world.
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 26, 2022 11:36:49 GMT -5
There are strange reports of UFO's dating back thousands of years, cave drawings seem to look like UFO's and things like that. They are found all over the globe.
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 26, 2022 11:49:59 GMT -5
I do not believe that there are all the galaxies with suns and planets like scientists claim. The idea that this is true is based on the sun being a star, and stars being distant suns. I do not believe that. I see the sun as a different creation from the stars, and do not believe the stars are as far away as they claim, or as big as they claim. I do believe there is life in places beyond this earth, but they are angelic beings. I believe it because it can be seen, God made them all that's how powerful he is. You can look at a yellow star light years away and see the spectrograph of the make-up of that star and find that it has the same make-up as our sun. Then you can look at massive blue stars and see their chemical make up and temp. I believe that stars are distant suns no question about it. What is interesting is in our solar system every planet is different than the others, even the moons are all different, Jupiter has 4 Gallio moons and each of those moons is different than the others. Many other solar systems have planets in elliptical orbits, while in our solar system most planets orbit in circular orbits. Living on a planet with a huge elliptical orbit would be something else- for part of the year it would be real hot then it would be super cold depending on how far away from the sun the planet orbits in the elliptical orbit- then if that planet has a tilt on it's axis the climate would be even more wild. Here on Earth we have a circular orbit the only way climate and seasons change is by the tilt of the earths axis either pointed toward or away from the sun. It's a interesting subject to think about.
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Post by John on Jun 26, 2022 13:58:34 GMT -5
I do not believe that there are all the galaxies with suns and planets like scientists claim. The idea that this is true is based on the sun being a star, and stars being distant suns. I do not believe that. I see the sun as a different creation from the stars, and do not believe the stars are as far away as they claim, or as big as they claim. I do believe there is life in places beyond this earth, but they are angelic beings. I believe it because it can be seen, God made them all that's how powerful he is. You can look at a yellow star light years away and see the spectrograph of the make-up of that star and find that it has the same make-up as our sun. Then you can look at massive blue stars and see their chemical make up and temp. I believe that stars are distant suns no question about it. What is interesting is in our solar system every planet is different than the others, even the moons are all different, Jupiter has 4 Gallio moons and each of those moons is different than the others. Many other solar systems have planets in elliptical orbits, while in our solar system most planets orbit in circular orbits. Living on a planet with a huge elliptical orbit would be something else- for part of the year it would be real hot then it would be super cold depending on how far away from the sun the planet orbits in the elliptical orbit- then if that planet has a tilt on it's axis the climate would be even more wild. Here on Earth we have a circular orbit the only way climate and seasons change is by the tilt of the earths axis either pointed toward or away from the sun. It's a interesting subject to think about. I will not believe the stars are distant suns unless I can physically see it for myself, but I am fine either way. The creation points to the existence of a divine creator. There is no way that all we see came about from nothing and without intelligent design.
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Post by romaniprincess on Jun 27, 2022 16:07:43 GMT -5
Heck there may be forms of life right in front of us that we have no ability to understand or recognize I'd say most politicians came into that category! And the real question is - is there intelligent life on Earth?
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 28, 2022 8:24:26 GMT -5
If the "stars" are not other distant suns, then just what the heck are they?
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Post by sb on Jun 28, 2022 8:27:12 GMT -5
If the "stars" are not other distant suns, then just what the heck are they? I don't think that there's any question about that SK. I just watched this amazing show about a distant massive black hole in galaxy M87 which they say is the size of our solar system. Just unbelievable.
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Post by Rusty on Jul 2, 2022 19:12:30 GMT -5
I believe it because it can be seen, God made them all that's how powerful he is. You can look at a yellow star light years away and see the spectrograph of the make-up of that star and find that it has the same make-up as our sun. Then you can look at massive blue stars and see their chemical make up and temp. I believe that stars are distant suns no question about it. What is interesting is in our solar system every planet is different than the others, even the moons are all different, Jupiter has 4 Gallio moons and each of those moons is different than the others. Many other solar systems have planets in elliptical orbits, while in our solar system most planets orbit in circular orbits. Living on a planet with a huge elliptical orbit would be something else- for part of the year it would be real hot then it would be super cold depending on how far away from the sun the planet orbits in the elliptical orbit- then if that planet has a tilt on it's axis the climate would be even more wild. Here on Earth we have a circular orbit the only way climate and seasons change is by the tilt of the earths axis either pointed toward or away from the sun. It's a interesting subject to think about. I will not believe the stars are distant suns unless I can physically see it for myself, but I am fine either way. The creation points to the existence of a divine creator. There is no way that all we see came about from nothing and without intelligent design. My thoughts exacly!
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