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Post by romaniprincess on Dec 19, 2022 15:44:22 GMT -5
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Post by sauerkraut on Dec 20, 2022 10:12:54 GMT -5
It doesn't matter, all the experts in the world could come out & say "There is no warming, there is no climate disaster" and nothing would change- the climate disaster hoax will roll on. The narrative has to be kept going. I guess it's one of those "Follow the money" things.
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Post by Justbec on Dec 20, 2022 11:34:27 GMT -5
Follow the money is right because that is what it's all about.
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Post by sauerkraut on Dec 21, 2022 11:23:10 GMT -5
The big guys are making a fortune on global warming/climate change. Al Gore became super rich after he left the Whitehouse as VP when he became involved with "Climate Change".. Much of the green agenda is being funded by countries that want to destroy western economies.
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Post by Justbec on Dec 21, 2022 11:39:20 GMT -5
Climate Change is the biggest joke going.'Killer tornadoes in December'... there have been EF4's and EF5's from 1879 to present in December. Sure winter storms like tornadoes are less but have happened since weather has been tracked. The Left just wants people to buy into the BS so they can get rich.
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Post by sauerkraut on Dec 28, 2022 13:07:18 GMT -5
Actually if ya look at past history our current climate is pretty mild- in 1780 a massive hurricane hit Barbados they think it's the biggest hurricane ever recorded, in 1703 a big storm hit the UK in the fall and lasted a week, it was so bad some people thought the judgement day was upon them. In more modern times Galveston, Texas was hit hard back in 1900 by a massive hurricane, in 1938 a massive hurricane hit New York and the upper east coast killing many people. I have a book by "Readers Digest" called "Disasters" but many bad storms can be found on the internet. 1974 had a massive tornado out break it hit Xenia, Ohio hard, and in 1977 a massive blizzard hit the midwest and hit Buffalo super hard.
Those in doubt can google the 1780 hurricane and the 1703 hurricane. I guess the 1780 hurricane still holds the record as worst storm ever. We had no "climate Change" back then.
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Post by Justbec on Dec 28, 2022 13:10:35 GMT -5
my point exactly sauerkraut,. We have had odd weather in all seasons since weather has been tracked. The only difference is now Political are making money on a 'Climate Crisis'
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Post by apple on Dec 28, 2022 13:15:59 GMT -5
The latest estimate is that the world's five largest publicly-owned oil and gas companies spend about US$200 million a year on lobbying to control, delay or block binding climate policy. Their hold on the public seems to be waning. Two recent polls suggested over 75 percent of Americans think humans are causing climate change. link
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Post by romaniprincess on Dec 28, 2022 16:59:47 GMT -5
I'll stick with what the other 99.99% of climate scientists agree is happening. There are three undeniable facts in this debate: 1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas 2. Humans have been dumping tons of extra CO2 into the atmosphere since we began to burn fossil fuels. 3. The climate has been changing in direct correlation with that. And the things we need change need to change anyway. Fossil fuels are not an unlimited resource. In the first place the 99.9% figure (actually 97%) is NOT genuine. It was arrived at on the basis of a tiny sample of queries to which the MAJORITY of those questioned didn't answer. Out of those who did over half were either unsure or had no opinion. All THOSE respondents were binned from the 'poll' and only the positives and negatives included. In any other field of life except this quasi-religious nut cult that would be considered FRAUD. Now as to CO2. Believe it or not CO2 is ESSENTIAL to life on earth and particularly to plant life. Without it photosynthesis can't happen and plants and flowers (and probably almost any other life on earth) would die. The historical records DON'T support the claims about C02. The climate has been HOTTER than it is now with NO contribution from fossil fuels. In fact, strangely, many of the years with the HIGHEST C02 emissions also showed the LOWEST global temperatures. So there's NO invariant correlation between CO2 and global temperature. There IS an invariant correlation between solar activity and global temperatures. The climate has NOT been changing because of CO2 - it's been changing because of solar activity. Try reading the astrophysicists talking about the coming Maunder Minimum. I'm all in favour of conservation, recycling, lessening our dependence on fossil fuels and so on. But I DON'T go along with the hysterical and dishonest LIES of the ecofascists. Their agenda is to deliberately impoverish people (well, except themselves; they're hypocritical to the nth degree.) Don't be fooled by their lies any more than by the apologists for the Exxon Valdez fan club Mafia.
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Post by apple on Dec 28, 2022 17:06:48 GMT -5
Well, actually… 99 percent of scientists agree that climate change is happening and that humans are the primary cause.
To put this into perspective, we are more sure that humans are causing climate change than we are that smoking causes cancer.
Perhaps you’re thinking of indecisive politicians, many of whom are backed by the fossil fuel industry. Maybe that’s why leaders are still dragging their feet when it comes to climate action — or worse, vocally denying its existence in the face of rigorous scientific report, after report, after report.
The truth is politicians have known about climate change since (at least) the 1980s and fossil fuel companies have known about it since the 1960s. But leaders in the highest-emitting countries are doing next to nothing to slow climate change, let alone stop it.
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Post by apple on Dec 28, 2022 17:21:36 GMT -5
Exxon didn’t just understand the science, the company actively engaged with it. In the 1970s and 1980s it employed top scientists to look into the issue and launched its own ambitious research program that empirically sampled carbon dioxide and built rigorous climate models. Exxon even spent more than $1 million on a tanker project that would tackle how much CO2 is absorbed by the oceans. It was one of the biggest scientific questions of the time, meaning that Exxon was truly conducting unprecedented research. In their eight-month-long investigation, reporters at InsideClimate News interviewed former Exxon employees, scientists and federal officials and analyzed hundreds of pages of internal documents. They found that the company’s knowledge of climate change dates back to July 1977, when its senior scientist James Black delivered a sobering message on the topic.“In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon’s management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees—a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today. He continued to warn that “present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to 10 years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical." In other words, Exxon needed to act... link
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Post by sauerkraut on Dec 29, 2022 13:02:39 GMT -5
Earths climate has always changed for 4.5 billion years, Earth never had one un-changing "normal" climate. Life has to adapt or get replace by something else. Actually the storms today are mild compared to the storms of the past the massive the hurricane of 1780 was the worst storm recorded on planet Earth killing 22,000+ people-- and in 1703 a massive hurricane hit England it was so bad people thought judgement day was coming. There were very bad storms all thru history and it's not hard to look up. The 1900 hurricane of Galveston, Texas almost wiped that city away killing thousands. Today we have many more people living in the hurricane zones and the death rates are no where close to those of the past. There was a bad gulf coast hurricane back in 1969 in the USA called "Camille" killing many. After Katerina we had a 12 year lull with no hurricanes. The 1950's were pretty active for hurricanes. Hurricanes seem to run on normal cycles. When things go political as did "Global Warming/Climate Change" truth is the first causality, any science that does not agree with the line of dogma thinking is ignored. Scientists and experts who have research findings that go against the grain get their funding pulled.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 13:07:06 GMT -5
Ecocommunism is the new home of tin pot wanna be dictators. It's an easy way to play on the emotions of people, replace "nature" as their religion and then control them through carbon taxes, energy use, etc
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Post by apple on Dec 29, 2022 14:55:06 GMT -5
Ecocommunism is the new home of tin pot wanna be dictators. It's an easy way to play on the emotions of people, replace "nature" as their religion and then control them through carbon taxes, energy use, etc Renewable energy is bad. Repeat, rinse, swallow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:07:05 GMT -5
No i never said that but it seems important to you to characterize that way. So carry on
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:08:35 GMT -5
I don’t think “ renewable” energy is anywhere near what it is promised to be. And the left wants to ignore the real world practical implications of it all.
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Post by apple on Dec 29, 2022 15:17:38 GMT -5
No i never said that but it seems important to you to characterize that way. So carry on I just think you believe a lot of big oil propaganda. Not your fault, they spend millions spreading it. I am not 100% in agreement with all the greenies but logically it just makes sense to shift to cleaner, renewable energy. Science will prevail with better and better options are just around the corner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:20:57 GMT -5
No i never said that but it seems important to you to characterize that way. So carry on I just think you believe a lot of big oil propaganda. Not your fault, they spend millions spreading it. I am not 100% in agreement with all the greenies but logically it just makes sense to shift to cleaner, renewable energy. Science will prevail with better and better options are just around the corner. Propaganda? Um no i actually fill my car with gas and go places. i get on planes full of fossil fuels and go places. i heat my home with natural gas. i run all the electric in my home thru coal and natural gas. So that’s quite a bit more than “ propaganda “. All our entire lives are powered on those things
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:24:55 GMT -5
I don’t think “ renewable” energy is anywhere near what it is promised to be. And the left wants to ignore the real world practical implications of it all. please elaborate I have. I have had those discussions with you about EVs and on and on
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:31:28 GMT -5
Propaganda? Um no i actually fill my car with gas and go places. i get on planes full of fossil fuels and go places. i heat my home with natural gas. i run all the electric in my home thru coal and natural gas. So that’s quite a bit more than “ propaganda “. All our entire lives are powered on those things They don't have to be though. Thats reality
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