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Feb 2, 2023 10:42:37 GMT -5
Post by sauerkraut on Feb 2, 2023 10:42:37 GMT -5
I think I found out why there are so many things coming out now about the Titanic, I guess they plan to re-release the 1997 "Titanic" flick this spring. I have been reading alot about it in some magazines I bought.
It's interesting to read about, actually Andrews had plans to install 64 life boats on the Titanic but the board of trade over-ruled it and set the number as required by law 16 life boats the Titanic had 4 extra boats called "Collapsibles" above the required number.
What's interesting is the thinking at the time, they figured that modern ships having water tight doors and wireless radio the idea of a ship sinking was remote and even if a ship did sink with the busy ship traffic of the North Atlantic a rescue ship could arrive before the damaged ship went down. The life boats were supposed to be used to transfer people/passengers back and fourth from the damaged ship to the rescue ship, they were never designed to be floating alone in the middle of the ocean, the life boats had no water, food supplies or emergency equipment on board anyhow, so having enough life boats for everyone on board would be wasteful. After the Titanic that all changed and they even started using life rafts with emergency supplies on them. The life rafts were unsinkable. The laws changed in 1913 and all ships had to have enough life boats for everyone on board.
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Feb 2, 2023 10:51:00 GMT -5
Post by sauerkraut on Feb 2, 2023 10:51:00 GMT -5
This is also interesting- there never was any rule or law of the sea that called for "Woman & Children First". In the end Captain Smith said "Every man for himself". Lightroller followed the rule "women & children only" on his side of the ship where he was helping to load the life boats, the officer on the other side Murdoch just wanted to fill the boats and he let some men on the life boats. Lightroller didn't want to let a 12- year old boy in the life boat, he thought he was too old and should be like a man, but his mother protested and said that if her son can't come she would not go either so Lightroller let the boy go. The funny thing is in the end Lightroller made sure he saved himself, he jumped in the last collapsible boat. Some Titanic crew saved themselves they took up space that could of been used for passengers, the crew put themselves in front of the passengers, some people felt the crew should of gone down with the ship and save as many passengers as possible.
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Feb 3, 2023 12:26:13 GMT -5
Post by sauerkraut on Feb 3, 2023 12:26:13 GMT -5
I read some more about the Titanic, the whole drama played out in real time at about the length of a movie or play around 2.5 hours from iceberg to sinking. The drama exposed themes of human life Hubris, bravery, cowardice, inequities of class, injustice, terror & salvation. It brings up the question of "What would I have done?" would I have fought for a life boat seat or helped others into life boats, would I have panicked, or what. One famous person on board was Benjamin Guggenheim who was traveling with his Mistress while his wife was at home. He was a Philadelphia millionaire & philanderer. He calmly helped his Mistress Leontine Aubart into a life boat and then Guggenheim went into his room and put on his finest dinner outfit and went down with the ship. The drama of the people on the Titanic and the story's told were something else. Many rich went down with the ship.
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Feb 4, 2023 12:27:11 GMT -5
Post by sauerkraut on Feb 4, 2023 12:27:11 GMT -5
I have been reading more about the Titanic and the life style they had on the ship, it's something else, the women had 3 changes of clothes each day a morning dress a noon dress and a fine evening gown, before dinner they would hang around showing off their dress. The men wore one suit for the most part. The 2nd class was like first class on other ships and the 3rd class was like 2nd class on other ships. The ship had a warmed salt water pool, a hot spa tub, a full gym for the 1st class. I'm reading a $20.00 magazine I bought called "The Titanic" some of the pictures in it are awesome. Seems everything came together at once to make the ship sink, no moon so it was hard to see ice burgs, no waves, and one theory said that the Titanic would of leveled out and stayed afloat had the bulk heads in #6 been just a few inches taller, the water would of stopped flowing over and the ship would of stopped going down.
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Feb 6, 2023 11:33:10 GMT -5
Post by sauerkraut on Feb 6, 2023 11:33:10 GMT -5
I'm really absorbed by that Titanic booklet I have been reading. I'm half way thru it, up next is the hearings and the inquiries about the accident--It was an amazing ship they had dozens of gold plated chandeliers and wall sconces in the mens smoking room. The picture of the chandeliers in that room showed a gilded 5-socket chandelier each arm ended with a electric light inside a glass bowl shining on sparkling crystal. The electrical system was something else enough to power a small town, they had 4 main generators with 16,000 amps, the ship had 10,000 light bulbs, 150 electric motors of all sizes running all sorts of things, electric heaters in the rooms, freezers and refrigerated rooms for the food. This is all from 1909 technology when they first started to build the ship, The pipe and plumbing system was huge they had running hot water in all the rooms.
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Feb 6, 2023 11:46:38 GMT -5
Post by sauerkraut on Feb 6, 2023 11:46:38 GMT -5
Makes ya wonder how something like the Titanic disaster that would play out today could men stand by and watch their wives/girlfriends be lowered into a life boat knowing they won't see them anymore, many widows were made that night, the survivors -at least many of the survivors had a guilt complex about being alive while hundreds of others died. The men who survived where more or less shunned the rest of the lives, regardless how they managed to survive- Bruise Ismay lived with the burden of saving himself the rest of his life. The men who survived the Titanic had it ruff the rest of their lives the stigma of saving themselves stuck with them unjustly or not. That's something. Going down with the ship seems to me would be a bad slow way to die, the survivors in life boats heard the people in the water screaming for 20-30 minutes. White Star Lines sent out a recovery ship on April 17th, 1912 to pick up bodies they found 306 bodies and 116 of them were so un-recognizable they were just buried at sea- I dunno what made the bodies un-recognizable did a shark take a bite of them or what? For the next 3 weeks ships of all kinds have found bodies floating in the Atlantic from the Titanic.
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Feb 10, 2023 11:53:31 GMT -5
Post by sauerkraut on Feb 10, 2023 11:53:31 GMT -5
I finished reading the "Titanic" book, now I'm back to reading "Alternate History" What If... it's full of important news events of the past and discusses what would of happened if President Kennedy would of lived, what could of happened at the Cuban Missile crisis in 1962, I know one thing we were darn close to nuke war as it was in '62, something not known at the time was Cuba already had nukes there and the commander was given the power to launch them by Moscow. So if that case in history gone the other way we very likely would of been hit by a nuke. It has a story about what if the Berlin Wall didn't come down 1989, they predicted that it would of been similar to North Korea but the wall would be more or less high tech today if it was still standing. As for history, back in 1962 I was a tot in 1st grade and I don't remember anything about the Cuban Missile crisis, my parents didn't seem to talk about it, must been on the TV news. We were darn close to nuke war though. I do remember the 1961 Shepard rocket launch though.
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