Arctic heatwave could break records

[deyana]

Arctic heatwave could break records


Temperatures at the North Pole could be up to 20 degrees higher than average this Christmas Eve, in what scientists say is a record-breaking heatwave.

Climate scientists say these unseasonably warm weather patterns in the Arctic region are directly linked to man-made climate change.

Temperatures throughout November and December were 5C higher than average.

It follows a summer during which Arctic sea ice reached the second-lowest extent ever recorded by satellites.



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[sauerkraut]

Funny the N. Pole is melting away and elsewhere it's record setting cold & snow. is this real or more Fake news? giggle

[sauerkraut]

We had the coldest Spring on record. The winter of 2014 was the coldest ever recorded around the great lakes. The great lakes all froze solid & Lake Superior still had ice chunks floating around in July of 2014. Yep the planet is overheating. If you'd like more info just google "frozen great lakes winter 2014" Study the issue for yourself with an open mind and not follow some political agenda blindly.

[sauerkraut]

www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2015/02/arctic_blast_sends_great_lakes.html

[sauerkraut]

www.time.com/9480/great-lakes-frozen-time-lapse-video/>>> Where is that warming? Turns out 2015 was also a record freeze on the great lakes<<<

[kronks]

Well maybe this is what climate change will bring for the USA?

New York was under a glacier atone time.


But

That's the largest ice cover the Great Lakes have experienced since 1994,and it means that there is an astounding 82,940 sq. miles (214,814 sq. km) of ice covering the biggest collection of fresh water in the world.

So we are only talking about 27 years since asimilar even so it is all pretty normal really.

The weather is always fluctuating

[sauerkraut]

I follow the facts not an agenda. I wish the planet was getting warmer I prefer a warmer planet over a colder one, but the facts seem to say the planet is cooling perhaps we are heading into a little ice age or something like that - a warmer planet is a good thing. 1,000 years ago the planet was much warmer than it was today, so we have cooled off quite a bit, back then 1,000 years ago Greenland was pretty much ice free and the Vikings grew crops there. What really gets me is the global warming people Never consider the sun in the silly computer models, I don't think Al Gore even mentioned the sun's effect on climate in his movie. The sun is our biggest climate driver and water vapor is the strongest greenhouse gas both those things are not considered, what they consider is power plants and SUV's and man's growing economy as an climate threat (shut down the factories). I don't think they even talk about the effect a volcano has on the climate. This stuff is not science it's a political agenda or political dogma. Science is never settled, only junk science is settled. Science always changes and is updated as new facts come in. I'd like to know what the climate changing from and what is our climate changing into- That question is never answered, as is the question, What is earths normal temp supposed to be? Carbon credits anyone? Open your wallet! The mind just reels sometimes. giggle

[deyana]

We don't want to wait until it's too late, to acknowledge climate change is here to stay.

[kronks]

I read sea level has been rising at about the same level for the last 6000 years 1-2 mm a year.





The current rate is about 2mm a year maybe a bit more recently perhaps 3mm a year




But that is little different from the normal, we would expect 1-2 mm a year anyway.

Ie some of the warming is natural, it may be that it it would actually have cooled without recent warming ie
we beleived a new ice age was pending, brrr.....

[deyana]

Kronks, you should spend just one winter in a tropical country and you see the full impact of what Global warming has done. When it gets to 50c and people are dying due to overheating and it's implications, then you know something is happening.

Of course we will never see that kind of heat here in Canada or probably not in any part of the Western world, all we feel is cold each winter, so it's easy to assume that nothing is amiss.

I have seen over these last couple of decades how snowfall starts later then it used to. Which means our summers are extended sometimes into October or even November. At times we won't get snow here until December. And it used to start snowing in earnest in October like clockwork at one time.

Still I do find the charts and statistics you put up interesting, although a bit confusing. They seem to contradict with what other climate scientists and weather forecasters are telling us and indeed what we are seeing for ourselves. Snowy winters in at least Southern England (where I grew up) seem like a thing of the past now too.

[sauerkraut]

Apr 2, 2017 16:50:19 GMT -5 @im2 said:

Apr 2, 2017 14:59:15 GMT -5 sauerkraut said:

I follow the facts not an agenda. I wish the planet was getting warmer I prefer a warmer planet over a colder one, but the facts seem to say the planet is cooling perhaps we are heading into a little ice age or something like that - a warmer planet is a good thing. 1,000 years ago the planet was much warmer than it was today, so we have cooled off quite a bit, back then 1,000 years ago Greenland was pretty much ice free and the Vikings grew crops there. What really gets me is the global warming people Never consider the sun in the silly computer models, I don't think Al Gore even mentioned the sun's effect on climate in his movie. The sun is our biggest climate driver and water vapor is the strongest greenhouse gas both those things are not considered, what they consider is power plants and SUV's and man's growing economy as an climate threat (shut down the factories). I don't think they even talk about the effect a volcano has on the climate. This stuff is not science it's a political agenda or political dogma. Science is never settled, only junk science is settled. Science always changes and is updated as new facts come in. I'd like to know what the climate changing from and what is our climate changing into- That question is never answered, as is the question, What is earths normal temp supposed to be? Carbon credits anyone? Open your wallet! The mind just reels sometimes. giggle

 

You are following an agenda but think you aren't.  Everything predicted by climate change experts is happening and you have seen it happen in front of your face. Now you ask a stupid question about what has the climate changed from. Well the climate in your area changed from a spring with warmer  weather to one with record cold. Everything you claim the scientists have not taken into account they have. Your argument is full of holes and what you are supporting is an agenda by fossil fuels because it has been shown that such fuels are the major contributor to this situation. But that's the republican way. We don't need no air or water, all we need is business.

I'm following the facts. I studied this issue for over a decade, I know it's a hoax.. Yep, You bet everything predicted is happening as predicted by computer models and experts- why? because they keep changing the climate models to fit the current weather patterns. As I said if it's a cold winter it's caused by global warming, if it's a warm winter it's caused by global warming, if it's a drought it's due to global warming, too much rain & floods it's global warming. Hurricanes: Big hurricanes = global warming because the ocean temps are boiling hot and big hurricanes form over hot oceans. No hurricanes = Global warming because the oceans got cold due to changes in ocean currents due to global warming and the oceans are too cold to form hurricanes. They change the global warming agenda to fit the current weather patterns. Also Climate & weather are not the same thing. 1,000 years ago earth was warmer than it is today. I remember the predictions from 2005 & Hurricane Katrina, they said from now on we will have big hurricanes and lots of them hit the U.S. coast, the oceans are at record high temps. Then from 2006 to 2013 there were no hurricanes. 89 WHY?

[sauerkraut]

Apr 11, 2017 10:36:29 GMT -5 @ariel said:

Apr 11, 2017 10:30:10 GMT -5 sauerkraut said:

I'm following the facts. I studied this issue for over a decade, I know it's a hoax.. Yep, You bet everything predicted is happening as predicted by computer models and experts- why? because they keep changing the climate models to fit the current weather patterns. As I said if it's a cold winter it's caused by global warming, if it's a warm winter it's caused by global warming, if it's a drought it's due to global warming, too much rain & floods it's global warming. Hurricanes: Big hurricanes = global warming because the ocean temps are boiling hot and big hurricanes form over hot oceans. No hurricanes = Global warming because the oceans got cold due to changes in ocean currents due to global warming and the oceans are too cold to form hurricanes. They change the global warming agenda to fit the current weather patterns. Also Climate & weather are not the same thing. 1,000 years ago earth was warmer than it is today. I remember the predictions from 2005 & Hurricane Katrina, they said from now on we will have big hurricanes and lots of them hit the U.S. coast, the oceans are at record high temps. Then from 2006 to 2013 there were no hurricanes. 89 WHY?

I am assuming that you were in the heat wave of 1016.

I don't have to be there I can read history. Greenland was warm and water ways were ice free- the Vikings grew crops there, then suddenly the climate changed (Earth's climate is always changing) and the weather got cold the Vikings fled and Greenland froze up.

[kronks]

Apr 5, 2017 7:16:33 GMT -5 deyana said:

Kronks, you should spend just one winter in a tropical country and you see the full impact of what Global warming has done. When it gets to 50c and people are dying due to overheating and it's implications, then you know something is happening.

Of course we will never see that kind of heat here in Canada or probably not in any part of the Western world, all we feel is cold each winter, so it's easy to assume that nothing is amiss.

I have seen over these last couple of decades how snowfall starts later then it used to. Which means our summers are extended sometimes into October or even November. At times we won't get snow here until December. And it used to start snowing in earnest in October like clockwork at one time.

Still I do find the charts and statistics you put up interesting, although a bit confusing. They seem to contradict with what other climate scientists and weather forecasters are telling us and indeed what we are seeing for ourselves. Snowy winters in at least Southern England (where I grew up) seem like a thing of the past now too.

Bizarre as it may seem people also die from cold in India.

I have just been trying to find some figures.

This page says an avergae of 781 die from cold each year.

www.indiaspend.com/cover-story/why-781-indians-needlessly-die-every-winter-84866

THe deaths from heat are higher though I think.




There seem to be different figures on different sites plus it may not always be clear what a person died of.


This seems really odd though accord to it deaths from heat are much higher in Europe and Russia?




Further to that India's record cold temp is -33C!!!

[kronks]

As I say you get different figure from differnt sites.

Winter is the second major reason for deaths in India after lightening, reveals a government statistics. Surprisingly, flood is the third major natural disaster.

Statistics show, till 2007, 826 people died every year due to harsh winter in India. And the death toll started to show an increasing trend after 2007 due to a cooling trend in the winter temperatures.
- See more at: www.skymetweather.com/content/home-page-bottom/winter-a-major-reason-for-deaths-in-india/#sthash.jZejPb1H.dpuf

So it never mentions hea there at all so I don't know.

[deyana]

The thing is India is a big country, it snows in places like Shimla and other hill top cities and provinces. Kashmir can be cold in the winter months. Winters in the Punjab (where I was born) lasts for for January and February, but no snow, just chilly days that's all. Come end of February you are feeling the heat again. But compare that to the rest of the country, it's just hot all the time, all year around.

Those that get a 'winter' or sorts won't have any heating system, perhaps it's not worth the expense for a few weeks a year of cold? And then you will get those that die from the cold. Most of India is tropical however and they never see any winter at all.

I can see how more people would die of floods due to the monsoon than cold weather. I don't suppose the statistics are all that accurate to be honest.



The Hilltop station of Shimla:





My mother spend a lot of time here, as her father was stationed here while in the Military. The British in particular liked this spot, as well as other Hilltop towns, as it gave them a break from the intense heat.

[sauerkraut]

Apr 14, 2017 15:18:17 GMT -5 @im2 said:

So maybe you read the history of 2017 when it says that man made increases in CO2 outpaces the natural production of CO2 to such an extent that it is dangerous to the future of the planet.

Maybe if you understood that we had more CO2 in the air during the last ice than we have today it may make you stop & wonder, the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapor, why not ban water vapor? BTW cold weather kills more people than does hot weather. The mind just reels sometimes when I read some of the stuff here.

[sauerkraut]

Apr 2, 2017 16:55:51 GMT -5 deyana said:

We don't want to wait until it's too late, to acknowledge climate change is here to stay.

Sounds like your saying it's already too late and "Climate Change" is here to stay,(btw, earths climate is always changing) The fact is man cannot change the climate even if he wanted to, one volcano can spew more dust & toxic fumes than man did in 300 years of human history, the planet survived huge asteroid attacks that wiped out much life and the planet and life is still here. Do we really want to pretend that global warming is real and destroy our economy over that, close factories and lose millions of jobs and go back to the horse & buggy, fireplaces for heat, and horse poop all over the muddy dirt streets? Worse, the nations that pollute the most will keep on polluting like China & India. The globe has one blanket of air. If we're already past the point of no return (as some global warmers claim) then does it make any sense to kill our economy when it won't make and difference anyhow? Earths climate is always changing wait a while and it'll warm up again, currently the planet is in a slow cooling trend believe it or not, no temp increase since 1995 with a slight decrease. The ice in eastern Antarctica ice cap has been growing at a huge rate. Does it make sense to kill an economy over a political hoax? 89

[kronks]

Apr 15, 2017 8:39:42 GMT -5 deyana said:

The thing is India is a big country, it snows in places like Shimla and other hill top cities and provinces. Kashmir can be cold in the winter months. Winters in the Punjab (where I was born) lasts for for January and February, but no snow, just chilly days that's all. Come end of February you are feeling the heat again. But compare that to the rest of the country, it's just hot all the time, all year around.

Those that get a 'winter' or sorts won't have any heating system, perhaps it's not worth the expense for a few weeks a year of cold? And then you will get those that die from the cold. Most of India is tropical however and they never see any winter at all.

I can see how more people would die of floods due to the monsoon than cold weather. I don't suppose the statistics are all that accurate to be honest.



The Hilltop station of Shimla:





My mother spend a lot of time here, as her father was stationed here while in the Military. The British in particular liked this spot, as well as other Hilltop towns, as it gave them a break from the intense heat.

That is a nice place I seem to rememeber seeing it before, probably here I guess!

Yes it is a big country of course, also it is there are big mountain to the north and the higher it is the colder it gets.

I guess people who live in places of intense heat figure out ways of coping with the heat?

ie not going out when it is hottest, unlike the English!

[kronks]

Apr 14, 2017 15:18:17 GMT -5 @im2 said:

So maybe you read the history of 2017 when it says that man made increases in CO2 outpaces the natural production of CO2 to such an extent that it is dangerous to the future of the planet.

The planet will always be here no matter what the level of CO2 and as far as man is concerned it has been boom time
in this last 150 years of warming.



Heat waves are nothing new.

1901 eastern United States heat wave en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1901_eastern_United_States_heat_wave

In the most extensive study of American heatwaves, it was estimated that the 1901 eastern heatwave had claimed the lives of 9,500 people, which makes it easily the most destructive disaster of its type in US history

So the most destructive heatwave in the USA was over 100 years ago!!

Also the population was 1/5th of today so make that 9,500  47,500 today!!

It is easy to scare monger through selective use of statistics.

[kronks]

Apr 15, 2017 17:52:33 GMT -5 @im2 said:

Apr 15, 2017 9:47:09 GMT -5 sauerkraut said:

Maybe if you understood that we had more CO2 in the air during the last ice than we have today it may make you stop & wonder, the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapor, why not ban water vapor? BTW cold weather kills more people than does hot weather. The mind just reels sometimes when I read some of the stuff here.

You can make all the claims you want. but I am seeing how the things climate scientists say would happen are. I'm not the person who refuses to see how the coldest winter in history doesn't show how climate change is real or how ice floating in a river in the summer time  doesn't mean there is global warming. I see ad live with the increases in tornadoes and in the length of tornado season. This is real, what you say isn't. My mind reels when I read the stuff you post, because it's generally inaccurate and really not based on reality or fact.

Well you can prove anything with statistics.


That looks bad.



This not so much.

Any increase is down to better detection and reporting it seems.

dailysignal.com/2014/03/31/five-myths-extreme-weather-global-warming/


That is, once we account for the apparent increase in tornado counts that are due to much improved technology for identifying them, tornadoes occur no more frequently now than in the past.

If anything the trend in strong tornados seems to be slightly down or brordly level. If they predicted an increase they got it wrong!