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Post by apple on Mar 11, 2024 11:49:16 GMT -5
They can live at the homeless shelter get rides to work, pay no rent save up the money, they can even get free change of clothes and showers at the homeless shelter, also the Salvation Army used to allow homeless to live there until they have money for rent. No motel costs. But in reality what they spend the money on (if they work) is alcohol & drugs and not save anything for an apartment. The homeless have tons of chances and opportunies to advance if they want but they don't take advantage of anything- at lest most don't. Homeless shelters are limited in the amount of people they can take in. Also, many require that you be there early in the evening, which excludes anyone other than a first shift worker. The free clothes? There are certain organizations that assist with one or two work appropriate outfits. Of course, you would have to be allowed to bring those things into the homeless shelter, and hope nobody steals them. The Salvation Army is very limited. They help, but not nearly enough. And there are programs if you can jump through the hoops to qualify and get off the waiting list. Where I am, the waiting list to get Section 8 housing assistance is five years long. And if you don't get you application in during the renewal window, you go to the back of the line. Things that prevent you from getting housing assistance here: you have an education, you are employed, you have reliable transportation, you have a previous eviction or owe any money to a previous landlord. Tons of help! You really should educate yourself on what really happens with all those assistance programs. What there isn't a lot of help with, in the middle of an opioid crisis, is rehab and reintegration.
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Post by Springschick on Mar 11, 2024 12:19:13 GMT -5
Homeless shelters are limited in the amount of people they can take in. Also, many require that you be there early in the evening, which excludes anyone other than a first shift worker. The free clothes? There are certain organizations that assist with one or two work appropriate outfits. Of course, you would have to be allowed to bring those things into the homeless shelter, and hope nobody steals them. The Salvation Army is very limited. They help, but not nearly enough. And there are programs if you can jump through the hoops to qualify and get off the waiting list. Where I am, the waiting list to get Section 8 housing assistance is five years long. And if you don't get you application in during the renewal window, you go to the back of the line. Things that prevent you from getting housing assistance here: you have an education, you are employed, you have reliable transportation, you have a previous eviction or owe any money to a previous landlord. Tons of help! You really should educate yourself on what really happens with all those assistance programs. What there isn't a lot of help with, in the middle of an opioid crisis, is rehab and reintegration. This is true, and there are many homeless addicts who go back to being homeless because their addictions go untreated . It is a vicious cycle. Rehab and detox, when done effectively, tends to be expensive. This "homeless problem" is very much a hydra.
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Post by mrright on Mar 11, 2024 12:22:27 GMT -5
Homeless shelters are limited in the amount of people they can take in. Also, many require that you be there early in the evening, which excludes anyone other than a first shift worker. The free clothes? There are certain organizations that assist with one or two work appropriate outfits. Of course, you would have to be allowed to bring those things into the homeless shelter, and hope nobody steals them. The Salvation Army is very limited. They help, but not nearly enough. And there are programs if you can jump through the hoops to qualify and get off the waiting list. Where I am, the waiting list to get Section 8 housing assistance is five years long. And if you don't get you application in during the renewal window, you go to the back of the line. Things that prevent you from getting housing assistance here: you have an education, you are employed, you have reliable transportation, you have a previous eviction or owe any money to a previous landlord. Tons of help! You really should educate yourself on what really happens with all those assistance programs. What there isn't a lot of help with, in the middle of an opioid crisis, is rehab and reintegration. and its taxpayers job to fund their rehab?
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Post by apple on Mar 11, 2024 12:30:51 GMT -5
What there isn't a lot of help with, in the middle of an opioid crisis, is rehab and reintegration. and its taxpayers job to fund their rehab? Perhaps consider that the drug addicted portion of "homeless" resort to stealing daily to get cash needed for drugs. They are also having medical responders attending pretty much daily as well as police responders and unpaid hospital stays etc. Who do you think pays for that? Also the many programs for all homeless are primarily supported by tax funds, thats you. So tax payers are on the hook either way.
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Post by Springschick on Mar 11, 2024 12:36:03 GMT -5
What there isn't a lot of help with, in the middle of an opioid crisis, is rehab and reintegration. and its taxpayers job to fund their rehab? Yes. It is in the Constitution - promoting the general welfare.
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Post by mrright on Mar 11, 2024 12:43:39 GMT -5
and its taxpayers job to fund their rehab? Perhaps consider that the drug addicted portion of "homeless" resort to stealing daily to get cash needed for drugs. They are also having medical responders attending pretty much daily as well as police responders and unpaid hospital stays etc. Who do you think pays for that? Also the many programs for all homeless are primarily supported by tax funds, thats you. So tax payers are on the hook either way. and how have they become addicted ?
so end all the bums funding. we arent socialists
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Post by mrright on Mar 11, 2024 12:45:22 GMT -5
and its taxpayers job to fund their rehab? Yes. It is in the Constitution - promoting the general welfare. doesnt mean funding. general welfare...protecting from crime...protecting borders..protecting americans rights. govts job
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Post by sb on Mar 11, 2024 12:45:46 GMT -5
and its taxpayers job to fund their rehab? Perhaps consider that the drug addicted portion of "homeless" resort to stealing daily to get cash needed for drugs. They are also having medical responders attending pretty much daily as well as police responders and unpaid hospital stays etc. Who do you think pays for that? Also the many programs for all homeless are primarily supported by tax funds, thats you. So tax payers are on the hook either way. I agree. It's probably MORE expensive in the long run to not get these people the help they need and that's just without considering the human tragedy of drug addiction. This would be one really good use for all the taxes that we pay.
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Post by Springschick on Mar 11, 2024 12:49:46 GMT -5
Yes. It is in the Constitution - promoting the general welfare. doesnt mean funding. general welfare...protecting from crime...protecting borders..protecting americans rights. govts job
Rehabbing does protect from crime. You are just too intentionally short sighted to understand.
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Post by mrright on Mar 11, 2024 12:52:08 GMT -5
wasnt getting hooked on the dope in the 1st place a crime?
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Post by sb on Mar 11, 2024 13:07:46 GMT -5
wasnt getting hooked on the dope in the 1st place a crime? Technically, but it's a crime that is only damaging the person getting hooked. It's the dealers and especially the importers that need to be punished.
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Post by deyana on Mar 11, 2024 15:58:50 GMT -5
Homelessness has many causes but not as many solutions. Even when there are solutions they are deemed to expensive or no neighborhood will welcome them. Yes, I think there are solutions. But it takes a collective effort and wanting to fix things for these people.
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Post by deyana on Mar 11, 2024 16:01:03 GMT -5
There is a lot of dislike for street people, not everyone is sympathetic.
Some homeless even say they want to be on the street, as they can drink and do drugs easier out there. Or they get kicked out of shelters due to their addictions.
I guess a few might be in that situation, but we can't brush them all with the same brush. Those who want off the streets should be helped to do so.
It would take a collective effort though, and money of course. The effort has to go both ways, those who are trying to help and those that need the help.
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Post by apple on Mar 11, 2024 16:19:57 GMT -5
There is a lot of dislike for street people, not everyone is sympathetic. Some homeless even say they want to be on the street, as they can drink and do drugs easier out there. Or they get kicked out of shelters due to their addictions. I guess a few might be in that situation, but we can't brush them all with the same brush. Those who want off the streets should be helped to do so. It would take a collective effort though, and money of course. The effort has to go both ways, those who are trying to help and those that need the help. As you know Dey, I work in an area where I interact with these people daily. Yes there are quite a few who choose the lifestyle and consider it freedom to live in campers or tents around the city. However I see a lot of lost souls wandering around, they are not bad people they just need some help to get out of the cycle.... and to learn to have self worth and make better decisions.
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Post by mrright on Mar 11, 2024 17:03:11 GMT -5
wasnt getting hooked on the dope in the 1st place a crime? Technically, but it's a crime that is only damaging the person getting hooked. It's the dealers and especially the importers that need to be punished. so the answer is "YES"
and THEY are funding the dealers by using their stuff.
they caused their own problem in most cases.
not taxpayers responsibility to fund their own screwups. or even govts job to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 21:02:59 GMT -5
This is not even human to do! If they want them off the streets provide low-income housing and put them to work! Any income is better than no income and if it means having a roof over their heads then the majority would go to work! Too many high-class snobs just don't want to hire them, but they will spend hours talking about them! why should we fund them? All due respect- Why do you feel so strongly against the Homeless when you have never walked in their shoes?!... Or have you? If so, then you know anyone can change their life and improve it if have the desire and are given a second chance! Either way, I can tell you are doing fine now! I know some may like how they live but I have never been one to stereotype... everyone has a past. Everyone has their own story! I am not saying enable them! I am saying, get them off the streets, punching a time clock, and earning the right to a roof over their heads! The proper authorities will quickly learn who wants the Homeless life, and who doesn't! All others are just being judgmental and in denial, this type of life will never happen to them!
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Post by mrright on Mar 11, 2024 21:23:43 GMT -5
All due respect- Why do you feel so strongly against the Homeless when you have never walked in their shoes?!... Or have you? If so, then you know anyone can change their life and improve it if have the desire and are given a second chance! Either way, I can tell you are doing fine now! I know some may like how they live but I have never been one to stereotype... everyone has a past. Everyone has their own story! I am not saying enable them! I am saying, get them off the streets, punching a time clock, and earning the right to a roof over their heads! The proper authorities will quickly learn who wants the Homeless life, and who doesn't! All others are just being judgmental and in denial, this type of life will never happen to them! because i dont like funding them. they arent my responsibility. plus they crap up wherever that hang out.
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Post by mrright on Mar 11, 2024 21:26:21 GMT -5
doesnt mean funding. general welfare...protecting from crime...protecting borders..protecting americans rights. govts job
Rehabbing does protect from crime. You are just too intentionally short sighted to understand. not govts job.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 21:26:53 GMT -5
All due respect- Why do you feel so strongly against the Homeless when you have never walked in their shoes?!... Or have you? If so, then you know anyone can change their life and improve it if have the desire and are given a second chance! Either way, I can tell you are doing fine now! I know some may like how they live but I have never been one to stereotype... everyone has a past. Everyone has their own story! I am not saying enable them! I am saying, get them off the streets, punching a time clock, and earning the right to a roof over their heads! The proper authorities will quickly learn who wants the Homeless life, and who doesn't! All others are just being judgmental and in denial, this type of life will never happen to them! because i dont like funding them. they arent my responsibility. plus they crap up wherever that hang out. Our conversation has ended! May you always ride on high! God bless you!
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Post by mrright on Mar 11, 2024 21:35:33 GMT -5
you want to fund them..start a charity.
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