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Post by deyana on Jun 10, 2024 21:39:31 GMT -5
Boys, 12, found guilty of machete murder in UK Two 12-year-old boys have been found guilty of murdering a man who was stabbed through the heart with a machete. Shawn Seesahai, 19, died in November last year after being set upon in an unprovoked attack on Stowlawn playing fields in East Park, Wolverhampton. The pair, who cannot be named, are believed to be the youngest convicted of the crime since James Bulger's killers were detained in 1993. During a trial at Nottingham Crown Court, the boys sought to blame each other, but the jury convicted them both of Mr Seesahai's murder on Monday. Jurors heard they attacked their victim with such ferocity that in one blow, the 16-inch (42.5cm) machete almost passed through his body. One defendant had previously pleaded guilty to possessing a machete "without good reason or lawful authority", while his co-defendant was convicted of the same charge on Monday. Mr Seesahai was from Anguilla in the Caribbean, but had travelled to the UK to get help with his eyesight and lived in Handsworth, Birmingham. www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz99py9rgz5o |
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Post by foxy on Jun 10, 2024 21:45:20 GMT -5
That poor man! I'll never understand how young children can commit such heinous crimes.
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Post by deyana on Jun 10, 2024 21:49:38 GMT -5
It's terrible.  Sadly I know there are a lot of very violent people in the UK. These kids probably have parents who slapped them around no doubt. And maybe ingrained hatred in them for others who are not like themselves. It all starts somewhere. |
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 12, 2024 10:30:29 GMT -5
That's one good reason to have cap. punishment.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 12, 2024 11:32:45 GMT -5
That's one good reason to have cap. punishment. You want to execute children now? |
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Post by Dr. JMA23 on Jun 12, 2024 11:59:23 GMT -5
According to UK law, a machete is an illegal weapon in the described situation.
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 13, 2024 9:06:25 GMT -5
That's one good reason to have cap. punishment. You want to execute children now? Real Children don't do that, it's pure evil, and what's to stop them from killing others, besides after years & years of appeals they won't be 'children' anymore. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 13, 2024 10:11:59 GMT -5
You want to execute children now? Real Children don't do that, it's pure evil, and what's to stop them from killing others, besides after years & years of appeals they won't be 'children' anymore. Define a "real child". |
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 13, 2024 11:38:22 GMT -5
Real Children don't do that, it's pure evil, and what's to stop them from killing others, besides after years & years of appeals they won't be 'children' anymore. Define a "real child". Someone who does not act like an animal, at age 12 you know right from wrong. That was a very gruesome act. Cut him loose he'll kill again. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 13, 2024 12:41:38 GMT -5
Someone who does not act like an animal, at age 12 you know right from wrong. That was a very gruesome act. Cut him loose he'll kill again. So, you do not believe that a child can be rehabilitated? Well, not in jail they can't, but there are other alternatives. Tell me, how old were you when you first did something you know was wrong? |
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 14, 2024 9:15:10 GMT -5
Someone who does not act like an animal, at age 12 you know right from wrong. That was a very gruesome act. Cut him loose he'll kill again. So, you do not believe that a child can be rehabilitated? Well, not in jail they can't, but there are other alternatives. Tell me, how old were you when you first did something you know was wrong? Some kids are just evil the killing was very grim & bruital, rehabilitation is not the question--or answer-- it's punishment for the grizzly cold blooded killing and to make sure it won't happen again. A cold blooded un-provoked attack. Sure, I made and did bad things- I made 'mistakes' as they say when I was a kid we all do~~~ but your talking about a 12 year old who committed a grizzly murder and yes I see a difference there that's a bit more serious than other things. He also is very likely to kill again most killers do, he must be done away with. Re-hab for what? so he can get out early and carry on? |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 14, 2024 9:20:37 GMT -5
So, you do not believe that a child can be rehabilitated? Well, not in jail they can't, but there are other alternatives. Tell me, how old were you when you first did something you know was wrong? Some kids are just evil the killing was very grim & bruital, rehabilitation is not the question--or answer-- it's punishment for the grizzly cold blooded killing and to make sure it won't happen again. A cold blooded un-provoked attack. Sure, I made and did bad things- I made 'mistakes' as they say when I was a kid we all do~~~ but your talking about a 12 year old who committed a grizzly murder and yes I see a difference there that's a bit more serious than other things. He also is very likely to kill again most killers do, he must be done away with. Re-hab for what? so he can get out early and carry on? Yes, some children are born that way. Would you have them somehow sorted and executed? You know, just in case? Do you understand what rehabilitation actually means? It does not mean get out and do it again. |
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 14, 2024 9:36:33 GMT -5
Some kids are just evil the killing was very grim & bruital, rehabilitation is not the question--or answer-- it's punishment for the grizzly cold blooded killing and to make sure it won't happen again. A cold blooded un-provoked attack. Sure, I made and did bad things- I made 'mistakes' as they say when I was a kid we all do~~~ but your talking about a 12 year old who committed a grizzly murder and yes I see a difference there that's a bit more serious than other things. He also is very likely to kill again most killers do, he must be done away with. Re-hab for what? so he can get out early and carry on? Yes, some children are born that way. Would you have them somehow sorted and executed? You know, just in case? Do you understand what rehabilitation actually means? It does not mean get out and do it again. Do you know what punishment means for the killing he already did? He needs to pay the price for the cold blooded un-provoked killing, re-hab is fine for non-violent crimes. Some crimes can't be re-habed anyhow one is a child abuser once an abuser always an abuser another is a pedophile no such thing as re-hab for them. I'm concerned about the victims family not for the killer. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 14, 2024 9:44:40 GMT -5
Yes, some children are born that way. Would you have them somehow sorted and executed? You know, just in case? Do you understand what rehabilitation actually means? It does not mean get out and do it again. Do you know what punishment means for the killing he already did? He needs to pay the price for the cold blooded un-provoked killing, re-hab is fine for non-violent crimes. Some crimes can't be re-habed anyhow one is a child abuser once an abuser always an abuser another is a pedophile no such thing as re-hab for them. I'm concerned about the victims family not for the killer. I do not share your negative outlook on life. While it is difficult, rehabilitation can be done, especially when caught early in childhood. Much harder when they are adults. Punishment and rehabilitation can be done at the same time. Do you not care about the family of this child who committed this horrific crime? Do we owe it to them to try to help their child, or should we just off the kid in front of them? Plus, they view things differently in the UK, where this happened. |
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 14, 2024 9:49:13 GMT -5
He took a life he needs to lose his life, if nothing else once executed he can't kill again. Sadly the UK has no cap. punishment so nothing will happen justice will be denied. When he kills again the blood with be on the hands of others in the system.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 14, 2024 9:55:44 GMT -5
He took a life he needs to lose his life, if nothing else once executed he can't kill again. Sadly the UK has no cap. punishment so nothing will happen justice will be denied. When he kills again the blood with be on the hands of others in the system. An eye for an eye makes the world blind. But that philosophy fits well into certain Middle Eastern philosophies. |
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Post by Dr. JMA23 on Jun 14, 2024 11:13:45 GMT -5
Manually killing with a machete is a bit different than the more removed method of shooting, especially since it was more than just one stab by these children. I don't think they can be rehabilitated with any reasonable surety of result. I personally would refuse to attempt, if asked.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 14, 2024 12:13:36 GMT -5
Manually killing with a machete is a bit different than the more removed method of shooting, especially since it was more than just one stab by these children. I don't think they can be rehabilitated with any reasonable surety of result. I personally would refuse to attempt, if asked. Yes, it was more intimate than a shooting. And they may not be able to be rehabilitated. There is never any surety of result, even under the best of circumstances. Does that mean that there should be no attempt, and that those kids should just be thrown away? |
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Post by Dr. JMA23 on Jun 14, 2024 12:16:44 GMT -5
Manually killing with a machete is a bit different than the more removed method of shooting, especially since it was more than just one stab by these children. I don't think they can be rehabilitated with any reasonable surety of result. I personally would refuse to attempt, if asked. Yes, it was more intimate than a shooting. And they may not be able to be rehabilitated. There is never any surety of result, even under the best of circumstances. Does that mean that there should be no attempt, and that those kids should just be thrown away? No, wasn't trying to say that. Even in a prison they can have a life doing things. Very few inmates live the life of maximum lockdown as is often portrayed. |
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Post by sauerkraut on Jun 14, 2024 12:16:53 GMT -5
Re-hab is fine but only after the punishment for doing the crime, re-hab is supposed to make sure the perp does not do it again. In this case re-hab is not needed because the punishment for the cold blooded killing should be execution. Thus no need to re-hab.
If you take a life you need to lose your life. The Bible even speaks of that.
Some crimes are just so bad the only fair and just punishment is execution.
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