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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 15:08:38 GMT -5
I think people are more fearful of adopting now. First, if you don't adopt your own race of child, you get criticized for that. Second, there are concerns about the bio families. The parents are obviously failing so they may be criminals, drug addicts, etc who could possibly track you down, threaten you, etc. Third, older children often come with reactive attachment problems, that could possibly be harmful if to any young biological children you have in the home so a lot to think about there as well. And as the children get older it gets harder to form a meaningful bond with them too. Lots of issues unfortunately.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 15:28:42 GMT -5
And think how much worse it is going to get.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 15:36:03 GMT -5
And think how much worse it is going to get. God has endowed every child with 2 parents. So you would think between 2 people there could be at least one responsible person ? As for it getting "worse", is there any evidence that abortion on demand has reduced child abuse or neglect?
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Post by sb on Jun 15, 2023 15:41:27 GMT -5
I think people are more fearful of adopting now. First, if you don't adopt your own race of child, you get criticized for that. Second, there are concerns about the bio families. The parents are obviously failing so they may be criminals, drug addicts, etc who could possibly track you down, threaten you, etc. Third, older children often come with reactive attachment problems, that could possibly be harmful if to any young biological children you have in the home so a lot to think about there as well. And as the children get older it gets harder to form a meaningful bond with them too. Lots of issues unfortunately. My wife's brother adopted 4 siblings (same mother, 3 different fathers, 2 from the same father half black) all of whom are beautiful kids. They've encountered some of what you describe but they wouldn't change it for the world.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 16:24:10 GMT -5
And think how much worse it is going to get. God has endowed every child with 2 parents. So you would think between 2 people there could be at least one responsible person ? As for it getting "worse", is there any evidence that abortion on demand has reduced child abuse or neglect? In a perfect world, sure. But we don't live in that world, do we? There is no responsibility test for procreating, and little crack babies and meth babies and heroin babies are born every day. Some get out in dumpsters, some die shortly after childbirth, some just get ignored. The lucky ones get to a hospital, where they undergo painful detox from the drugs in their systems. Then they get sent to an orphanage or to foster care. Many of those kids do have lasting damage from their "parents", and it makes them less desirable. Those are the kind of kids that we will see more and more of, as the poor or addicted women in certain states are forced to bear these children.
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 16:24:30 GMT -5
Since it averages between $10K and $30K to adopt in the US, with some areas being much higher, adoption is not the catch all wonderful thing people make it out to be. If it were, the foster system, where children are routinely abused, would not be so vast. We need adoption reforms bad!
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 16:27:08 GMT -5
I think people are more fearful of adopting now. First, if you don't adopt your own race of child, you get criticized for that. Second, there are concerns about the bio families. The parents are obviously failing so they may be criminals, drug addicts, etc who could possibly track you down, threaten you, etc. Third, older children often come with reactive attachment problems, that could possibly be harmful if to any young biological children you have in the home so a lot to think about there as well. And as the children get older it gets harder to form a meaningful bond with them too. Lots of issues unfortunately. My wife's brother adopted 4 siblings (same mother, 3 different fathers, 2 from the same father half black) all of whom are beautiful kids. They've encountered some of what you describe but they wouldn't change it for the world. The people who lived down the road from us when I was growing up adopted a little black baby, Diane. That was pretty unusual in my lilly white, rich CT town, where the only brown people were the doctors at the local mental institution. Nobody in our neighborhood ever treated her as different from anyone else.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 16:27:48 GMT -5
Since it averages between $10K and $30K to adopt in the US, with some areas being much higher, adoption is not the catch all wonderful thing people make it out to be. If it were, the foster system, where children are routinely abused, would not be so vast. We need adoption reforms bad! I couldn't agree more. Do you have any ideas, because I do not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 16:29:35 GMT -5
God has endowed every child with 2 parents. So you would think between 2 people there could be at least one responsible person ? As for it getting "worse", is there any evidence that abortion on demand has reduced child abuse or neglect? In a perfect world, sure. But we don't live in that world, do we? There is no responsibility test for procreating, and little crack babies and meth babies and heroin babies are born every day. Some get out in dumpsters, some die shortly after childbirth, some just get ignored. The lucky ones get to a hospital, where they undergo painful detox from the drugs in their systems. Then they get sent to an orphanage or to foster care. Many of those kids do have lasting damage from their "parents", and it makes them less desirable. Those are the kind of kids that we will see more and more of, as the poor or addicted women in certain states are forced to bear these children. I don't think we have seen "less of" with abortion on demand so I reject that we will see "more of" as abortion has not been shown to decrease child abuse or neglect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 16:30:45 GMT -5
There will also be "more" people who decide to accept responsibility for loving and caring for the child whom they are responsible for. So there might be "more" people who actually grow up having a good life too
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 16:32:02 GMT -5
In a perfect world, sure. But we don't live in that world, do we? There is no responsibility test for procreating, and little crack babies and meth babies and heroin babies are born every day. Some get out in dumpsters, some die shortly after childbirth, some just get ignored. The lucky ones get to a hospital, where they undergo painful detox from the drugs in their systems. Then they get sent to an orphanage or to foster care. Many of those kids do have lasting damage from their "parents", and it makes them less desirable. Those are the kind of kids that we will see more and more of, as the poor or addicted women in certain states are forced to bear these children. I don't think we have seen "less of" with abortion on demand so I reject that we will see "more of" as abortion has not been shown to decrease child abuse or neglect. I don't think it can be proven either way, as abuse is infrequently reported or documented. However, how can taking away a choice not logically incur more of that happening? And you know where I stand in the abortion issue.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 16:33:12 GMT -5
There will also be "more" people who decide to accept responsibility for loving and caring for the child whom they are responsible for. So there might be "more" people who actually grow up having a good life too I certainly hope so. I would be more inclined to believe that if the opioid and fentanyl crises were no so prevalent.
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 16:33:33 GMT -5
We need adoption reforms bad! I couldn't agree more. Do you have any ideas, because I do not. We need to find ways to subsidize the cost to make it cheaper and easier for lower income families. Even if there is a cost to tax payers, it will be more than offset by the children being placed. Maybe make adoption cost free for low income families?
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 16:36:21 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. Do you have any ideas, because I do not. We need to find ways to subsidize the cost to make it cheaper and easier for lower income families. Even if there is a cost to tax payers, it will be more than offset by the children being placed. Maybe make adoption cost free for low income families? That sounds good, but I do not think a low income family would necessarily want to adopt, especially if they already have children of their own.
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 16:42:10 GMT -5
We need to find ways to subsidize the cost to make it cheaper and easier for lower income families. Even if there is a cost to tax payers, it will be more than offset by the children being placed. Maybe make adoption cost free for low income families? That sounds good, but I do not think a low income family would necessarily want to adopt, especially if they already have children of their own. When I say low income, I mean anyone that cannot afford the massive fees. Many poor couples want kids but are infertile and cannot afford the adoption fees. This may not be popular, but I would also relax child labor law regulations and we could give assistance to support these kids because we are saving money by the fact they are not fully supported by the state.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 16:42:51 GMT -5
I don't think we have seen "less of" with abortion on demand so I reject that we will see "more of" as abortion has not been shown to decrease child abuse or neglect. I don't think it can be proven either way, as abuse is infrequently reported or documented. However, how can taking away a choice not logically incur more of that happening? And you know where I stand in the abortion issue. Nobody has unlimited "choice" to do anything. There are 2 human beings involved.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:04:27 GMT -5
I don't think it can be proven either way, as abuse is infrequently reported or documented. However, how can taking away a choice not logically incur more of that happening? And you know where I stand in the abortion issue. Nobody has unlimited "choice" to do anything. There are 2 human beings involved. There are, but one is completely reliant on the other. Even if that one is the irresponsible one. While I personally find abortion repugnant, I do believe the procedure should be done legally and safely during the first trimester. I do not believe that any other woman has to be forced to submit to my views. And I would rather not see them die for making a decision that might be different than I would make.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:06:23 GMT -5
That sounds good, but I do not think a low income family would necessarily want to adopt, especially if they already have children of their own. When I say low income, I mean anyone that cannot afford the massive fees. Many poor couples want kids but are infertile and cannot afford the adoption fees. This may not be popular, but I would also relax child labor law regulations and we could give assistance to support these kids because we are saving money by the fact they are not fully supported by the state. I cannot and will not support relaxing the child labor laws.
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 17:08:26 GMT -5
Nobody has unlimited "choice" to do anything. There are 2 human beings involved. There are, but one is completely reliant on the other. Even if that one is the irresponsible one. While I personally find abortion repugnant, I do believe the procedure should be done legally and safely during the first trimester. I do not believe that any other woman has to be forced to submit to my views. And I would rather not see them die for making a decision that might be different than I would make. And I do not believe that women should have the right to choose to murder their unborn child at any stage of pregnancy in the name of choice. It is still murder. The child should not have to suffer so it's Mother can have a choice.
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:10:09 GMT -5
There are, but one is completely reliant on the other. Even if that one is the irresponsible one. While I personally find abortion repugnant, I do believe the procedure should be done legally and safely during the first trimester. I do not believe that any other woman has to be forced to submit to my views. And I would rather not see them die for making a decision that might be different than I would make. And I do not believe that women should have the right to choose to murder their unborn child at any stage of pregnancy in the name of choice. It is still murder. The child should not have to suffer so it's Mother can have a choice. All children suffer the choices of their mothers. Do you feel you have the right to force someone to submit to your views?
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