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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 17:11:08 GMT -5
When I say low income, I mean anyone that cannot afford the massive fees. Many poor couples want kids but are infertile and cannot afford the adoption fees. This may not be popular, but I would also relax child labor law regulations and we could give assistance to support these kids because we are saving money by the fact they are not fully supported by the state. I cannot and will not support relaxing the child labor laws. But you do support allowing them to be murdered in the first trimester. I think being able to work is better than being slaughtered. I wanted the right to leave school and work a full-time job when I was 14 but couldn't. Why shouldn't I have had that right? I did start working at 15, but had to deal with stupid labor restrictions. |
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 17:12:05 GMT -5
And I do not believe that women should have the right to choose to murder their unborn child at any stage of pregnancy in the name of choice. It is still murder. The child should not have to suffer so it's Mother can have a choice. All children suffer the choices of their mothers. Do you feel you have the right to force someone to submit to your views? Yes, just like the government imposes other restrictions on us all, and some affect what we can do with our bodies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 17:12:06 GMT -5
When I say low income, I mean anyone that cannot afford the massive fees. Many poor couples want kids but are infertile and cannot afford the adoption fees. This may not be popular, but I would also relax child labor law regulations and we could give assistance to support these kids because we are saving money by the fact they are not fully supported by the state. I cannot and will not support relaxing the child labor laws. Well why are there exceptions for child stars like Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, etc? Seems they could work, tour, make albums, movies, etc. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:15:22 GMT -5
I cannot and will not support relaxing the child labor laws. But you do support allowing them to be murdered in the first trimester. I think being able to work is better than being slaughtered. I wanted the right to leave school and work a full-time job when I was 14 but couldn't. Why shouldn't I have had that right? I did start working at 15, but had to deal with stupid labor restrictions. I am not going to go through this again. But yes, as there is zero chance of viability in the first trimester. As for children working, the labor laws we have are fine. I got my first job at sixteen. That was young enough. My dad got his first job at 8 spotting bowling pins at the bowling alley. That is also when he started smoking. I'll choose the path I took. |
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 17:15:26 GMT -5
I cannot and will not support relaxing the child labor laws. Well why are there exceptions for child stars like Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, etc? Seems they could work, tour, make albums, movies, etc.  Great point. Make the financial burden of having children less expensive and it would help a lot. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:16:32 GMT -5
All children suffer the choices of their mothers. Do you feel you have the right to force someone to submit to your views? Yes, just like the government imposes other restrictions on us all, and some affect what we can do with our bodies. But you are not the government. You can vote for the government, but you, as just John, do not have the right to enforce your beliefs on anyone who does not want you to. |
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 17:17:00 GMT -5
But you do support allowing them to be murdered in the first trimester. I think being able to work is better than being slaughtered. I wanted the right to leave school and work a full-time job when I was 14 but couldn't. Why shouldn't I have had that right? I did start working at 15, but had to deal with stupid labor restrictions. I am not going to go through this again. But yes, as there is zero chance of viability in the first trimester. As for children working, the labor laws we have are fine. I got my first job at sixteen. That was young enough. My dad got his first job at 8 spotting bowling pins at the bowling alley. That is also when he started smoking. I'll choose the path I took. Viability means nothing because many elderly people are not viable in being able to live without assistance. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:17:06 GMT -5
I cannot and will not support relaxing the child labor laws. Well why are there exceptions for child stars like Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, etc? Seems they could work, tour, make albums, movies, etc. And look how screwed up most of them turn out! |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:19:11 GMT -5
I am not going to go through this again. But yes, as there is zero chance of viability in the first trimester. As for children working, the labor laws we have are fine. I got my first job at sixteen. That was young enough. My dad got his first job at 8 spotting bowling pins at the bowling alley. That is also when he started smoking. I'll choose the path I took. Viability means nothing because many elderly people are not viable in being able to live without assistance. I believe that there is a big difference between a barely formed embryo and a person who has lived a long life. If you don't, that is okay. You are entitled to. |
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 17:19:21 GMT -5
Yes, just like the government imposes other restrictions on us all, and some affect what we can do with our bodies. But you are not the government. You can vote for the government, but you, as just John, do not have the right to enforce your beliefs on anyone who does not want you to. Then the government should not stop children from working, there should be no minimum age to marry, we should be able to do heroin and prostitute ourselves, and no vaccine laws should stand. Disagree if you want but don't tell others how to live. |
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 17:20:43 GMT -5
Viability means nothing because many elderly people are not viable in being able to live without assistance. I believe that there is a big difference between a barely formed embryo and a person who has lived a long life. If you don't, that is okay. You are entitled to. I do not agree with that. To me, that first trimester baby has as much right to live as we do. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:20:45 GMT -5
But you are not the government. You can vote for the government, but you, as just John, do not have the right to enforce your beliefs on anyone who does not want you to. Then the government should not stop children from working, there should be no minimum age to marry, we should be able to do heroin and prostitute ourselves, and no vaccine laws should stand. Disagree if you want but don't tell others how to live. Where do you get the idea that I am for anarchy? You do know that abortion has been legal for most of history, right? |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:21:01 GMT -5
I believe that there is a big difference between a barely formed embryo and a person who has lived a long life. If you don't, that is okay. You are entitled to. I do not agree with that. To me, that first trimester baby has as much right to live as we do. And that is okay. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 17:21:04 GMT -5
Well why are there exceptions for child stars like Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, etc? Seems they could work, tour, make albums, movies, etc. And look how screwed up most of them turn out! I am just wondering why they get a pass from labor laws? In my state a kid under 14 cannot work. A kid under 16 needs parental permission. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:22:17 GMT -5
And look how screwed up most of them turn out! I am just wondering why they get a pass from labor laws? In my state a kid under 14 cannot work. A kid under 16 needs parental permission. That is a legitimate question. Perhaps you should research it and find out why? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 17:30:26 GMT -5
I am just wondering why they get a pass from labor laws? In my state a kid under 14 cannot work. A kid under 16 needs parental permission. That is a legitimate question. Perhaps you should research it and find out why? It's an observation. Rules for some and not others. |
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Post by John on Jun 15, 2023 17:33:09 GMT -5
Then the government should not stop children from working, there should be no minimum age to marry, we should be able to do heroin and prostitute ourselves, and no vaccine laws should stand. Disagree if you want but don't tell others how to live. Where do you get the idea that I am for anarchy? You do know that abortion has been legal for most of history, right? That is not relevant to it being right or wrong, so it doesn't matter to me. |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:43:30 GMT -5
That is a legitimate question. Perhaps you should research it and find out why? It's an observation. Rules for some and not others. That runs rampant in our society, doesn't it? |
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Post by Springschick on Jun 15, 2023 17:44:08 GMT -5
Where do you get the idea that I am for anarchy? You do know that abortion has been legal for most of history, right? That is not relevant to it being right or wrong, so it doesn't matter to me. I'm okay with that. |
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