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Post by Springschick on Nov 30, 2023 18:01:14 GMT -5
We have access to health care. Why do you think we don't? 27.6 million little birdies told me. Also 66.5 percent of all personal bankruptcies were tied to medical bills. That is troubling. So lets say...affordable health care. Everyone has access to health care. An emergency room cannot turn you away. What they will do is stabilize you (that is what an ER is for), and provide you with doctors you can see. Now, affordable health care is an entirely different thing. I couldn't agree more with this. And fuzzems is right - we could do better. Much better. That is still not a right.
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Post by fuzzems on Nov 30, 2023 18:14:19 GMT -5
Debate Question of the Day: Should people have a duty to rescue, save, provide aid to another? AKA Good Samaritan?
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Post by deyana on Nov 30, 2023 18:50:16 GMT -5
We have access to health care. Why do you think we don't? I mean funny cuz i have had my tonsils out, C section, multiple tests and procedures and am having an MRI tomorrow. I hope all is okay, fuzzems? I saw the doctor today and looks like I need a CatScan. Still have that pain on my right side...
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Post by deyana on Nov 30, 2023 18:51:09 GMT -5
We have access to health care. Why do you think we don't? 27.6 million little birdies told me. Also 66.5 percent of all personal bankruptcies were tied to medical bills. That is troubling. So lets say...affordable health care. I am so grateful that we can have medical intervention and care and not have to pay anything.
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Post by fuzzems on Nov 30, 2023 18:53:52 GMT -5
I mean funny cuz i have had my tonsils out, C section, multiple tests and procedures and am having an MRI tomorrow. I hope all is okay, fuzzems? I saw the doctor today and looks like I need a CatScan. Still have that pain on my right side... I have a pinched nerve. It's affecting my left arm which is going numb, pain down the arm, etc. When I am just sitting still it doesn't bother me. But, when I have to engage my arm it's really going numb or hurting. Did some steroids and PT so now the MRI. I guess I'll just see what is next with that.
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Post by fuzzems on Nov 30, 2023 18:54:21 GMT -5
I mean funny cuz i have had my tonsils out, C section, multiple tests and procedures and am having an MRI tomorrow. I hope all is okay, fuzzems? I saw the doctor today and looks like I need a CatScan. Still have that pain on my right side... Oh i hope they get that pain in your side figured out!
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Post by deyana on Nov 30, 2023 18:56:12 GMT -5
Debate Question of the Day: Should people have a duty to rescue, save, provide aid to another? AKA Good Samaritan? Do you mean people from overseas? As in refugees in war torn countries etc? Or the homeless and poor in our own countries? I think we all have a moral duty to try and help those that are less fortune. But it does depend on the kind of situation they are in and why. I do wish we lived in a kinder world, in that we thought of others more, less fortunate then ourselves, and reached out to them. We should do what we can I guess.
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Post by fuzzems on Nov 30, 2023 18:58:07 GMT -5
Debate Question of the Day: Should people have a duty to rescue, save, provide aid to another? AKA Good Samaritan? Do you mean people from overseas? As in refugees in war torn countries etc? Or the homeless and poor in our own countries? I think we all have a moral duty to try and help those that are less fortune. But it does depend on the kind of situation they are in and why. I do wish we lived in a kinder world, in that we thought of others more, less fortunate then ourselves, and reached out to them. We should do what we can I guess. I meant it more in a generic way. Someone gets hit by a car. Or attacked by a dog. Or falls in the water, etc.
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Post by Justbec on Nov 30, 2023 19:01:51 GMT -5
Debate Question of the Day: Should people have a duty to rescue, save, provide aid to another? AKA Good Samaritan? First off fuzzems, I hope they can find a way to help you. Morally I would hope a person would try and save another, but if it means you might die in the process then no.
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Post by Springschick on Nov 30, 2023 19:09:21 GMT -5
Debate Question of the Day: Should people have a duty to rescue, save, provide aid to another? AKA Good Samaritan? I think that is a personal decision. There are a lot of people who don't want to get involved, especially in a litigious society like ours. There are also a lot who have servants hearts, and will do anything for anyone. I believe most people fall somewhere in between. Sometimes they help, sometimes they don't.
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Post by Springschick on Nov 30, 2023 19:13:28 GMT -5
Debate Question of the Day: Should people have a duty to rescue, save, provide aid to another? AKA Good Samaritan? First off fuzzems, I hope they can find a way to help you. Morally I would hope a person would try and save another, but if it means you might die in the process then no. That is an excellent point. How often do you hear of someone who jumps in to save a drowning person only to be taken down themselves? And first aid/ first responder class will teach you that the first thing you look for is scene safety. There is some truth to the saying "Only fools rush in where angels fear to tread".
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Post by deyana on Nov 30, 2023 19:13:51 GMT -5
I hope all is okay, fuzzems? I saw the doctor today and looks like I need a CatScan. Still have that pain on my right side... I have a pinched nerve. It's affecting my left arm which is going numb, pain down the arm, etc. When I am just sitting still it doesn't bother me. But, when I have to engage my arm it's really going numb or hurting. Did some steroids and PT so now the MRI. I guess I'll just see what is next with that. Good luck with it. We should all be pro-active about our health issues. I have a problem with my left hand as well, I overdid it with the pruning this summer gone and now I think I have some tendon damage. The doctor said it would eventually heal itself.
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Post by deyana on Nov 30, 2023 19:16:07 GMT -5
I hope all is okay, fuzzems? I saw the doctor today and looks like I need a CatScan. Still have that pain on my right side... Oh i hope they get that pain in your side figured out! I hope so. Doctor said it might be a pulled muscle, but I just don't know. Will see what the CatScan finds..
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Post by Justbec on Nov 30, 2023 19:18:08 GMT -5
Oh i hope they get that pain in your side figured out! I hope so. Doctor said it might be a pulled muscle, but I just don't know. Will see what the CatScan finds.. Good luck with the catscan!
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Post by deyana on Nov 30, 2023 19:18:29 GMT -5
Do you mean people from overseas? As in refugees in war torn countries etc? Or the homeless and poor in our own countries? I think we all have a moral duty to try and help those that are less fortune. But it does depend on the kind of situation they are in and why. I do wish we lived in a kinder world, in that we thought of others more, less fortunate then ourselves, and reached out to them. We should do what we can I guess. I meant it more in a generic way. Someone gets hit by a car. Or attacked by a dog. Or falls in the water, etc. Well not a duty as such, but a moral obligation to try and help. I think most people would help if it came to those kind of situations.
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Post by fuzzems on Nov 30, 2023 19:22:28 GMT -5
Debate Question of the Day: Should people have a duty to rescue, save, provide aid to another? AKA Good Samaritan? I think the law about Good Samaritins makes sense. Nobody is really obligated to help, rescue, etc. But, if they do try too, they should be absolved of any inadvertant harm etc they may have caused in attempting to help or rescue. Not sure if there are some countries where someone is legally obligated to render aid or help. In China however, they do not the same kinds of good Samaritan laws so actually helping someone can result in the helper being sued to pay for that person's medical bills and such. The thinking apparently is you are rescuing them because you felt responsible for hurting them or something like that. I don't think someone is obligated to risk their own life like jumping into a river, etc. I would hope that someone at least cares enough about the things going on around them to at least call 911 if they see someone in trouble.
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Post by deyana on Nov 30, 2023 19:32:13 GMT -5
Debate Question of the Day: Should people have a duty to rescue, save, provide aid to another? AKA Good Samaritan? I think the law about Good Samaritins makes sense. Nobody is really obligated to help, rescue, etc. But, if they do try too, they should be absolved of any inadvertant harm etc they may have caused in attempting to help or rescue. Not sure if there are some countries where someone is legally obligated to render aid or help. In China however, they do not the same kinds of good Samaritan laws so actually helping someone can result in the helper being sued to pay for that person's medical bills and such. The thinking apparently is you are rescuing them because you felt responsible for hurting them or something like that. I don't think someone is obligated to risk their own life like jumping into a river, etc. I would hope that someone at least cares enough about the things going on around them to at least call 911 if they see someone in trouble. You know I have never, not for one second, thought about the legal implications of helping someone. I would just help if I could, just how I am instinctively wired. I have not heard of anyone getting sued for trying to help some one out if they are in danger or in life threatening situations.
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Post by fuzzems on Nov 30, 2023 19:40:47 GMT -5
I think the law about Good Samaritins makes sense. Nobody is really obligated to help, rescue, etc. But, if they do try too, they should be absolved of any inadvertant harm etc they may have caused in attempting to help or rescue. Not sure if there are some countries where someone is legally obligated to render aid or help. In China however, they do not the same kinds of good Samaritan laws so actually helping someone can result in the helper being sued to pay for that person's medical bills and such. The thinking apparently is you are rescuing them because you felt responsible for hurting them or something like that. I don't think someone is obligated to risk their own life like jumping into a river, etc. I would hope that someone at least cares enough about the things going on around them to at least call 911 if they see someone in trouble. You know I have never, not for one second, thought about the legal implications of helping someone. I would just help if I could, just how I am instinctively wired. I have not heard of anyone getting sued for trying to help some one out if they are in danger or in life threatening situations. Not in our countries. I think that helping is kind of a normal thing. However if we grew up in a country where people were held legally liable, etc, then I do think we would probably then think about that possibility I will say though that I feel LESS inclined to help now. Things seem more dangerous. A lot more people seem to be on drugs or have have a hair trigger to anger, etc. So, I would take more time to assess the situation whereas in prior years I would have been more likely to jump in. But, maybe that's a function of getting older too. But I would be thinking like, is this a potential scam, etc? There are scams where children are being used or a woman appears to be in distress, etc. So while I think most of us want to help, i do think we have to be more careful now.
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Post by deyana on Nov 30, 2023 19:45:43 GMT -5
Those are very good point, fuzzems.
You really do have to assess the situation before hand. I mean if I saw a broken down car and someone waving for me to stop, I'm not sure if I would. I might stay in my car and phone for help for them, but it all depends on the who, when and where.
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Post by Justbec on Nov 30, 2023 19:49:08 GMT -5
fuzzems, is right. In this day and age, you go to help someone you might be killed by them. Or as in the case of the Marine get arrested for trying to stop a crazed man on a train. I would have to think long and hard about stopping to help someone. I probably would but it's a risk.
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