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Post by Justice-N-Motion on Feb 7, 2024 19:04:04 GMT -5
I got to thinking about this today at work and the sure volume of people not sure we're they're heading after death. So, let me advise everyone, the fact that there is a Highway to Hell and a Stairway to Heaven should tell you something about the anticipated traffic flow. Just a FYI
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Post by fuzzems on Feb 7, 2024 19:15:24 GMT -5
I got to thinking about this today at work and the sure volume of people not sure we're they're heading after death. So, let me advise everyone, the fact that there is a Highway to Hell and a Stairway to Heaven should tell you something about the anticipated traffic flow. Just a FYI Heaven only has legal immigration. There is a wall and a gate. And you have certain criteria to get in. Hell has an open border.
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Post by Rusty on Feb 7, 2024 20:54:33 GMT -5
I got to thinking about this today at work and the sure volume of people not sure we're they're heading after death. So, let me advise everyone, the fact that there is a Highway to Hell and a Stairway to Heaven should tell you something about the anticipated traffic flow. Just a FYI Oh man, DD that was good!😍
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Post by Justbec on Feb 7, 2024 20:58:47 GMT -5
I got to thinking about this today at work and the sure volume of people not sure we're they're heading after death. So, let me advise everyone, the fact that there is a Highway to Hell and a Stairway to Heaven should tell you something about the anticipated traffic flow. Just a FYI You believers are so afraid about going to hell it's funny. I asked a 'holy roller' once why they were so sure there was a God. The answer was they weren't but if they didn't believe they might go to hell so they weren't taking a chance. Great faith there. LOL
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Post by Justbec on Feb 7, 2024 21:01:01 GMT -5
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Post by Rusty on Feb 7, 2024 21:06:10 GMT -5
I know where I'm going. I frankly don't care if it sounds like foolishness to anyone
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Post by Justbec on Feb 7, 2024 21:18:42 GMT -5
Sorry Rusty, I apologize for my post. I usually don't mock anyone's religion just the 'threat' of going to hell that one made, made me laugh.
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Post by Rusty on Feb 7, 2024 21:43:16 GMT -5
Sorry Rusty , I apologize for my post. I usually don't mock anyone's religion just the 'threat' of going to hell that one made, made me laugh. I didn't take it that way btw 😉
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Post by Belle on Feb 7, 2024 22:08:52 GMT -5
Belle could give you lessons fuzzems , Matthew 7: 6,“Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine...
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Post by Justbec on Feb 7, 2024 22:16:48 GMT -5
Belle could give you lessons fuzzems , Matthew 7: 6,“Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine... Damn it.. I just threw some pearls to swine........
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Post by foxy on Feb 8, 2024 3:46:45 GMT -5
I got to thinking about this today at work and the sure volume of people not sure we're they're heading after death. So, let me advise everyone, the fact that there is a Highway to Hell and a Stairway to Heaven should tell you something about the anticipated traffic flow. Just a FYI
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Post by corrina on Feb 8, 2024 13:59:01 GMT -5
I got to thinking about this today at work and the sure volume of people not sure we're they're heading after death. So, let me advise everyone, the fact that there is a Highway to Hell and a Stairway to Heaven should tell you something about the anticipated traffic flow. Just a FYI You believers are so afraid about going to hell it's funny. I asked a 'holy roller' once why they were so sure there was a God. The answer was they weren't but if they didn't believe they might go to hell so they weren't taking a chance. Great faith there. LOL God has given me assurance that I'll go to heaven. I'm not just blindly following a creed. Romans 8:16
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Post by foxy on Feb 8, 2024 15:46:41 GMT -5
I confess, being cut off from God and spending an eternity in a place of regret and sorrow with no hope of redemption was a factor in me choosing to become born again, however it was not the primary reason. I came to love Jesus because He first loved me. I was drawn to Him because I was wooed by the Holy Spirit. I was defeated, broken and going down in flames when I called out to God in sheer desperation. I got the surprise of my life when He actually responded in tangible ways. I learned He always loved and watched over me from the time I was in my mother's womb and even through the consequences I suffered by poor choices I had made as I entered adulthood. His love was transformational. I went from being broken and lost to happy, at peace and filled with joy. Joy was something I had never experienced. Happiness is based on one's circumstances, but quickly disappears when we face tough times. Joy, OTOH, is supernatural and doesn't leave us even in the worst of times. The love of God is powerful but one must choose to enter into a relationship with Him. God does not force Himself on anyone. His Spirit does not overtake us, it is not like a demonic possession. It is by invitation only. I have never regretted changing course and taking the narrow path as Justice-N-Motion , mentioned. It's a road well worth travelling, not just for a better life in the here and now, but for the assurance of spending eternity with my God who I love most of all. Without a personal relationship, it's hard for people to understand what it's like. Rituals, dogma, perfect church attendance, sermons, denominations, nothing can take the place of the feeling you get when you are in right relationship with your Creator. Unless you get to the place of repentance and submission to God you won't know what that personal relationship feels like. Once you do, however, you'll wonder how you have gone so long through life without it.
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Post by Belle on Feb 9, 2024 0:03:05 GMT -5
An excellent point that I never before even considered. Also the accounts of the two thieves are in contradiction to one another to begin with. I've had so many thing that literally jumps out at me. Like here in John. Mary didn't recognize Jesus. She thought he was the gardener until he spoke to her. John 20: 14 After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her:“Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him:“Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus said to her:“Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew:“Rab·boʹni!”(which means “Teacher!”) Also in John 21: 4, However, just as day was breaking, Jesus stood on the beach, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. In Luke 25 starting at verse 15 he wasn't recognized. Until around verse 31 they finally recognized him. The others he raised up from the dead, came back in the same body. His body was a sacrificial body ..of course he couldn't take it back. He had to take on another body why they didn't recognize him. Jesus raised a ruler's daughter (Matt 9:23–25). Jesus raised a widow's son (Luke 7:11–17). Jesus raised his friend Lazarus (John 11:38–44).
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Post by foxy on Feb 9, 2024 12:46:27 GMT -5
John 20:24-31
Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him,“We have seen the Lord.”
So he said to them,“Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said,“Peace to you!” 27 Then He said to Thomas,“Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him,“My Lord and my God!”
29 Jesus said to him,“Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” 30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
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Post by foxy on Feb 9, 2024 13:54:15 GMT -5
@naz said: "But this does not mean his body was physical, that is composed of matter. Nowhere in Scripture is the word "physical" used in reference to his glorified body. In fact if it was then it could not have passed through solid walls or ascended into heaven. And Paul clearly stated in speaking of the resurrection: It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Co 15:44_"
There are several instances where Jesus ate with the disciples, Thomas touched His physical body, and how could Mary "cling" to Jesus if he did not have a physical body? Jesus always had the ability to do things that defy mortal limitations such as walking on water, walking right through a mob getting ready to throw Him off a cliff, touching lepers with no transfer of their highly contageous disease, and this was before the crucifixion.
Luke Chapter 24:36-43
36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them,“Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them,“Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them,“Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.
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Post by foxy on Feb 9, 2024 14:28:45 GMT -5
@naz said:
"I think you are confusing physical with having solid form. I am not saying his resurrected body was some kind of disembodied spirit. It was a body, just not a physical one."
Jesus had the power to change from corporeal to non-corporeal form. Whether standing on water or eating food, He was God's Son and "the son of man." Jesus appears to some disciples as they traveled on the road to Emmaus. They did not recognize Jesus the same as Mary didn't when she first saw Him at the tomb. This has been the subject of some doubters so how does the Scripture explain this (always go to the source for answers.) Luke 24-13-35 13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him. 13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them,“What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him,“Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.“He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them,“How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly,“Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other,“Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying,“It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread. 17 He asked them,“What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him,“Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.“He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them,“How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly,“Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other,“Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying,“It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
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Post by foxy on Feb 9, 2024 19:42:23 GMT -5
I get what you're saying @naz, but how would you explain a person whose "resurrected body was not composed of matter" eating food and physically reacting with objects and people?
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Post by foxy on Feb 9, 2024 20:28:09 GMT -5
I get what you're saying @naz , but how would you explain a person whose "resurrected body was not composed of matter" eating food and physically reacting with objects and people? Perhaps there is another type of substance that is capable of doing that. Scientists speculate the universe is mainly composed of "dark matter". Not saying it was that but something along the same lines. But who knows. Maybe you are correct that he could just change his form back and forth. He certainly had control over the elements (calming storms) and the physical properties of food and drink (multiplying the loaves and fish, turning water into wine) changing His form from corporeal to non-corporeal would certainly be consistent with the many reports the Bible contains.
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Post by foxy on Feb 9, 2024 20:31:30 GMT -5
Here's something exciting to consider @naz one day we will have "glorified" bodies. Imagine being indestructible, what must that be like? All we know now are the indignities of age and illness.
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