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Post by apple on Feb 9, 2024 22:51:19 GMT -5
Science is constantly proved all the time. You see, if we take something like any fiction, any holy book… and destroyed it, in a thousand years’ time, that wouldn’t come back just as it was. Whereas if we took every science book, and every fact, and destroyed them all, in a thousand years they’d all be back, because all the same tests would [produce] the same result.
Ricky Gervais
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Post by foxy on Feb 10, 2024 7:55:14 GMT -5
For what profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul? One can spend their entire lifetime amassing wealth, fame, fortune and even create the illusion of youth and beauty by means of plastic surgery, but no matter how hard they try they will have to face the fact that it's never enough. The years pass, the grave awaits and "All your money won't another minute buy."- Dust In The Wind. Jesus said it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven. How tragic for those who have frittered away the short time we have here because the stony ground of their hardened hearts prevents the seeds of the Gospel from taking root.
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Post by corrina on Feb 10, 2024 11:59:59 GMT -5
I usually skip religious conversations,.....but,.. Luke 23:43 - The Thief On The Cross Contradiction In Luke 23:43 we read of Jesus saying,“Today you will be with Me in Paradise.” But in John 20:1-17 we read that Jesus meets Mary in the garden on the first day of the week and says, 'Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them,‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’(John 20:17). We can see that Jesus could not have been with the thief in heavenly paradise that Friday if he had still not ascended to the Father on Sunday. Is this a contradiction? It would seem to be so on the surface. But what if the comma was after the word today instead of before it? The meaning would change completely. Let's read the passage again, what if Jesus was saying,“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”(Luke 23:43). If the comma is placed after the word today, it shows Jesus being emphatic on that day of his crucifixion, saying, today when I am dying on the stake with no apparent hope, I am promising that you will be with me in paradise eventually. However, if the comma is inserted before the word today, Jesus would then be promising that the thief would be with Him that very day in paradise; thus making Jesus a liar and also contradicting John 20:17. Jesus was dead and in the tomb for 3 days. What did He do during that time? We don't know for sure because the scriptures don't tell us a whole lot, but His Spirit didn’t die when His body died on the cross. Three days later, His body and spirit were reunited, and He rose from the dead (John 20). There is some speculation about where Jesus was -- that is, where His spirit was -- for the three days between His death and resurrection. The believing thief asks to be remembered when Jesus comes into His kingdom (Luke 23:42), and Jesus replies,“Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise”(verse 43). So, after His death, Jesus went to the place of blessing where God is—heaven. And that’s where the believing thief went, too. 3 days gave Jesus time to do other things as well. This is a commentary from gotquestions.org about the different views of Bible scholars that have researched this: 1 Peter 3:18–20 says,“Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared”(ESV). Some take this to mean that Jesus, sometime between His death and resurrection, went to hell/Hades and made an announcement of some type to the “spirits” imprisoned there. Within this interpretation, the spirits Jesus addressed could be either demonic or human. If the spirits mentioned in 1 Peter 3:19 are fallen angels, then those spirits were probably imprisoned because they were involved in a grievous sin before the flood in Noah’s time—Peter mentions Noah’s flood in verse 20. Peter does not tell us what Jesus proclaimed to the imprisoned spirits, but it could not have been a message of redemption, since angels cannot be saved (Hebrews 2:16). If these were fallen angels, what Jesus proclaimed was probably a declaration of His victory over Satan and his hosts (1 Peter 3:22; Colossians 2:15). But there is another interpretation of the 1 Peter passage. In this interpretation, the “spirits” are people currently in hell, but Peter is not saying Jesus made a special trip to Hades/hell to preach or proclaim anything. Rather, Peter is giving parenthetical information about something Jesus had done previously in history, namely, that He had “in spirit” preached to the people of Noah’s day while they were still living on earth. That wicked generation heard the message, rejected it, perished in the flood, and are now in prison. The word now in 1 Peter 3:19 is provided for clarity in the Amplified Bible and the New American Standard Bibles of 1977 and 1995, and it contrasts with the “long ago”(NIV) and “formerly”(ESV) of 1 Peter 3:20. According to this alternate interpretation, Christ was in Noah (spiritually) when Noah preached to his doomed neighbors. To better explain, here is a paraphrase of 1 Peter 3:18–20:“Jesus was put to death in the flesh, but He was made alive in the Spirit (it was through this same Spirit that Jesus long ago preached to those who are right now in prison—those souls who disobeyed during the time of God’s great patience when Noah was building the ark).” According to this view, Jesus preached spiritually to the people of Noah’s time, and He did this through the prophet Noah, in much the same way that God speaks through us today when we proclaim God’s Word. Ephesians 4:8–10 is another passage used in the discussion regarding Jesus’ activities in the three days between His death and resurrection. Quoting Psalm 68:18, Paul says about Christ,“When he ascended on high, he took many captives”(Ephesians 4:8). The ESV puts it that Christ “led a host of captives.” Some say this refers to an event not elsewhere described in Scripture, namely, that Jesus gathered all the redeemed who were in paradise and took them to their permanent dwelling in heaven. That is, after securing their salvation on the cross, Jesus brought Abraham, David, Joshua, Daniel, the beggar Lazarus, the thief on the cross, and everyone else who had previously been justified by faith, and led them from Hades (the abode of the dead in general) to their new spiritual home. Another view of Ephesians 4 is that ascended on high is a straightforward reference to Jesus’ ascension. Christ returned to heaven victoriously, as God. In His triumph, Jesus had defeated and taken captive our spiritual enemies: the devil, death, and the curse of sin. All of this is to say that the Bible gives scant information about what exactly Christ did for the three days between His death and resurrection. The only thing we know for sure is that, according to Jesus’ own words on the cross, He went to paradise. We can also say with confidence that, His work of redemption finished, Jesus did not have to suffer in hell. For right now, both paradise and hell are “temporary holding places” until the day when Jesus Christ comes back to judge the world based on whether or not individuals have believed in Him. I will say this, there aren’t any contradictions in the Bible. It is the infallible Word of God. What seems like a contradiction can be understood with a little research from a trusted source. |
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Post by apple on Feb 10, 2024 21:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by Belle on Feb 10, 2024 22:34:26 GMT -5
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Post by corrina on Feb 11, 2024 11:49:42 GMT -5
I’ll leave you all with just a couple of thoughts.
There is something truly remarkable in this “deathbed” conversion of the thief on the cross. It may be said that it is the only Biblical example of a last-minute salvation. There is one deathbed conversion in the Bible, so that no one would despair; but only one, so that no one would presume.
The Father set upon Jesus all the guilt and wrath our sin deserved, and He bore it in Himself perfectly, totally satisfying the wrath of God for all humanity. All the pain and suffering our Savior endured as He died on the cross was to rescue you, and be with you for eternity - and because of the greatness of His love for YOU.
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Post by Rusty on Apr 17, 2024 21:38:18 GMT -5
The Father set upon Jesus all the guilt and wrath our sin deserved, and He bore it in Himself perfectly, totally satisfying the wrath of God for all humanity. All the pain and suffering our Savior endured as He died on the cross was to rescue you, and be with you for eternity - and because of the greatness of His love for YOU. 👍🏻 I don't dwell on my past or at least try not to.What I do know is I've been forgiven quite a bit. If people here only knew about details of my past 99% of people here wouldn't want to have anything to do with me. Believe me about that. But God never gives up on us and recklessly pursues us if we truly never push him aside. |
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Post by corrina on Apr 18, 2024 10:39:43 GMT -5
Rusty, I too have many things in my past that I'm ashamed of, but praise the Lord He has forgiven me and given me a new life in Him, that I might be found worthy of His calling.
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Post by snapper on Apr 19, 2024 8:43:10 GMT -5
I have enjoyed glancing over this thread this morning. I don't have anything to add except for the question of believing in a rapture. There may be one at the end, but I do not, cannot believed there will be a rapture and people taken up before the tribulation. I think that belief became more popular with the Left Behind books. I know the books were written as fiction, but I suspect the authors were pretribulation rapture believers.
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Post by romaniprincess on Apr 20, 2024 15:57:55 GMT -5
Science is constantly proved all the time. You see, if we take something like any fiction, any holy book… and destroyed it, in a thousand years’ time, that wouldn’t come back just as it was. Whereas if we took every science book, and every fact, and destroyed them all, in a thousand years they’d all be back, because all the same tests would [produce] the same result. Ricky Gervais Tags: atheist, atheist-argument, faith, science-and-religion In the first place Gervais wasn't very good at his day job. More to the point what he says about science is downright false. Mike used to teach- among other subjects - the philosophy of science. Read Patrick Chalmers, Betrayers of the Truth: Fraud and Deceit in the Halls of Science. Galileo, Newton and Mendel are just three famous scientists who faked their data. Read Thomas Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Read how Einstein refused to accept quantum physics Read how Stark refused to accept relativity. Read the story of the neutrino - one of the clearest confirmations of Kuhn's analysis. Gervais is talking a load of ignorant rubbish. |
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Post by apple on Apr 20, 2024 20:03:21 GMT -5
Science is constantly proved all the time. You see, if we take something like any fiction, any holy book… and destroyed it, in a thousand years’ time, that wouldn’t come back just as it was. Whereas if we took every science book, and every fact, and destroyed them all, in a thousand years they’d all be back, because all the same tests would [produce] the same result. Ricky Gervais Tags: atheist, atheist-argument, faith, science-and-religion In the first place Gervais wasn't very good at his day job. More to the point what he says about science is downright false. Mike used to teach- among other subjects - the philosophy of science. Read Patrick Chalmers, Betrayers of the Truth: Fraud and Deceit in the Halls of Science. Galileo, Newton and Mendel are just three famous scientists who faked their data. Read Thomas Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Read how Einstein refused to accept quantum physics Read how Stark refused to accept relativity. Read the story of the neutrino - one of the clearest confirmations of Kuhn's analysis. Gervais is talking a load of ignorant rubbish. Regardless of who said it. He has a point. |
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Post by romaniprincess on Apr 21, 2024 19:56:51 GMT -5
In the first place Gervais wasn't very good at his day job. More to the point what he says about science is downright false. Mike used to teach- among other subjects - the philosophy of science. Read Patrick Chalmers, Betrayers of the Truth: Fraud and Deceit in the Halls of Science. Galileo, Newton and Mendel are just three famous scientists who faked their data. Read Thomas Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Read how Einstein refused to accept quantum physics Read how Stark refused to accept relativity. Read the story of the neutrino - one of the clearest confirmations of Kuhn's analysis. Gervais is talking a load of ignorant rubbish. Regardless of who said it. He has a point. No he doesn't He's pretending that science is objective and settled fact when it's nothing of the kind Either he doesn't know what he's talking about or he's deliberately telling porkies |
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