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Post by foxy on Feb 4, 2024 11:04:13 GMT -5
Since both the left and right claim Jesus represents their political views best, I thought this might be a good subject to discuss here.
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Post by foxy on Feb 4, 2024 11:06:03 GMT -5
This is my perspective on Jesus and politics:
Jesus was a huge disappointment to the Zealots and other Jews of his time that believed their promised Messaiah would liberate them from their Roman oppressors. With trick questions like "Is it right for us to pay tribute to Caesar," His answer, much to their disappointment, was in the form of a question. He asked whose image is on their money, the answer was Caesar. His response was "Give to Caesar that which belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God."
Even when the Roman soldiers came to arrest Him, He stayed the hand of His Disciple Peter who drew a sword and cut one of the soldiers.
Time and time again He did not interfere with the politics of the day. He preached that His Kingdom was not of this world. His message was one of turning from sin and honoring God. Many people who wanted Him to lead them to victory turned away from Him because He preached a message of individual, personal responsibility to turn from sin and honor God rather than a popular message to overthrow their pagan rulers.
Ironically Jesus was put to death on false charges of trying to overthrow the government by claiming to be King. They even nailed a sign over His head on the cross saying King of the Jews to which the Pharisees begged them to change the wording to He claimed to be king of the Jews. But their request was denied.
There was once a time when the Jews lived in a Theocracy, but they envied their pagan neighbors and wanted Earthly judges and kings. God let them have their way and from that point forward they were subject to both good and evil rulers. And so it is to this very day.
One thing that never changes from Genesis to Revelation is the battle for man's allegiance and soul which has never ceased. Satan desires to be God and rule all creation. He was arrogant enough to even try to tempt Jesus to bow down and worship him with the promise that he would give Him the world if He did. Interesting side note, did he truly have the power to claim ownership of our world to make such an offer to the Son of God?
Revelation tells us a ruler will come to power in the end times and will want the entire world to worship him. It can only happen if there are no sovereign nations creating a one world government. Revelation identifies the leader. The man is called the beast whose name numerically adds up to 666 - he is the antichrist. What party will he belong to? Democrat, Republican, Communist? While we argue over which party Jesus would belong to today, Satan and his devotees are laying the foundation for his world domination.
Choose ye this day who you will follow, it's the most important decision you will ever make on this side of eternity.
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Post by Rusty on Feb 4, 2024 13:53:30 GMT -5
Came home and threw on SBN to hear Donnie Swaggert( a Trump supporter no doubt) say he doesn't care who's in the White House, God is REALLY in charge, it's man that truly out of control.He couldn't be more right
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Post by Justice-N-Motion on Feb 4, 2024 14:06:45 GMT -5
I like and appreciate the topic, but before I delve into my opinions on religion, let me address the facts of our country. Facts based on our Constitution and the several misunderstandings that regard both. With the writing of our Constitution came a freedom of religion. Our forefathers wanted to live and practice their beliefs. So, while our country was founded with the freedom of religion, it did not mean we were created in the absence of religion. There was however supposed to be a separation of church and state. Of late we see that concept being trampled upon by MAGA extremist.(from book banning to prayer)
Next comes the misgiven belief that our forefather believed "all men were created equal". They did not. A belief again we still carry today by MAGA extremist as they persecute any Blackman that stands to oppose or kneels in defiance. We witness the outrage difference of two borders based solely in the color that crosses. The first coming of Christ saw Jesus born to a virgin in a manger on bed of hay. The second coming may very well be an immigrant born in box, beside razor wire, among armed citizenry demanding he KTFO. That's our nation today.
Please continue...
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Post by fuzzems on Feb 4, 2024 14:11:47 GMT -5
I like and appreciate the topic, but before I delve into my opinions on religion, let me address the facts of our country. Facts based on our Constitution and the several misunderstandings that regard both. With the writing of our Constitution came a freedom of religion. Our forefathers wanted to live and practice their beliefs. So, while our country was founded with the freedom of religion, it did not mean we were created in the absence of religion. There was however supposed to be a separation of church and state. Of late we see that concept being trampled upon by MAGA extremist.(from book banning to prayer) Next comes the misgiven belief that our forefather believed "all men were created equal". They did not. A belief again we still carry today by MAGA extremist as they persecute any Blackman that stands to oppose or kneels in defiance. We witness the outrage difference of two borders based solely in the color that crosses. The first coming of Christ saw Jesus born to a virgin in a manger on bed of hay. The second coming may very well be an immigrant born in box, beside razor wire, among armed citizenry demanding he KTFO. That's our nation today. Please continue... 🙄🙄😂😂
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Post by Justice-N-Motion on Feb 4, 2024 14:12:28 GMT -5
Glad you agree
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Post by foxy on Feb 4, 2024 14:15:56 GMT -5
Rusty , Sometimes I discuss the scary, spinning out of control trajectory of this world with my guy and friends. I speculate on whether or not I will live long enough for the worst part before the end since I'm old and not in the best health. I feel for the younger members of my family and everyone still here when I am called home. It would be nice to believe there are leaders out there that can stop the mad dash to the apocalypse, but what has been prophesied can not be altered, it will happen. Discerning the signs of the times, I'm thinking pretty soon but no one knows the day or the hour. Like a thief in the night Jesus said. I have to agree with you regarding Donnie's statement. Question, do you believe in the rapture?
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Post by Rusty on Feb 4, 2024 19:28:20 GMT -5
Rusty , Question, do you believe in the rapture? 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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Post by Justice-N-Motion on Feb 5, 2024 9:28:48 GMT -5
If I may ask, for those that believe in the rapture, do you not believe in going Heaven when you die? Is the resurrection belief just in the physical form?
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Post by foxy on Feb 5, 2024 13:35:37 GMT -5
Upon death our spirit separates from our corporeal form. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Jesus told the thief on the cross "This very day you will be with me in Paradise." The physical remains were committed to the grave, but his spirit went with Jesus. When Jesus uttered His last words on the cross He said Father into your hands I commit my spirit. Upon resurrection, Jesus took physical form again. His Disciple Thomas refused to believe the report that those who claimed to have seen him in the flesh were telling the truth. He basically said I'll believe it when I see it myself. When Jesus appeared to him, He had Thomas touch him to show He was in His physical body which still bore the marks of the piercings in His hands, feet and side. There is also the case of Lazarus who Jesus brought back from the grave. His greiving sister told Jesus she knew her brother would "rise again in the resurrection on the last day" but didn't understand that Jesus was there to bring Lazarus' physical remains back to life. This was the miracle that showed He had the authority and command over life and death, proof positive He was indeed the promised Messaiah they had been waiting for. The mount of transfiguration is another example of life after death. Both Moses & Elijah appeared with Jesus before His Disciples Peter, James and John. It is significant to note Elijah did not die a physical death and Michael the Archangel disputed with Lucifer over the body of Moses. God had a purpose for them. God has the power to reunite body & spirit (Lazarus) and the power to bring those still in the flesh into Heaven (Elijah and Enoch.) Upon the return of Jesus, the order called will be the dead in Christ and then the living. If I understood your question correctly Justice-N-Motion, I hope I addressed the issue of how we can live in Heaven without our physical bodies as well as how our spirits & flesh can be reunited when Jesus returns.
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Post by Justice-N-Motion on Feb 5, 2024 14:09:17 GMT -5
Very well stated, and TY for doing so. To many times with questions on religion and faith people become to questioning of motives and fear being insulted. Especially in places where any spiritual guidance is absent. So, TY again. I have read much the same, but feel my understanding is not always as others might read. There are times I am not sure if people are worshiping the same God. JM2C
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Post by foxy on Feb 5, 2024 15:25:40 GMT -5
I completely understand what you're saying Justice-N-Motion. Fortunately the Holy Spirit brings understanding to those who seek the truth. Those who invite Him in will not be deceived by the "spirit of this age" but have wisdom only God can impart.
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Post by corrina on Feb 5, 2024 17:14:24 GMT -5
There is a lot of misunderstanding in the world about what the Bible says. If one is not filled with the Holy Spirit, God can’t get through all the erroneous thinking a lot of people have so that you can hear Him. Revelation 3:6, 13, and 22 say,“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith.” One has to be born again through Jesus Christ. Being born again is explained in John 3:3. When you’re born again, you can hear the Holy Spirit. That is what the scriptures in Revelation mean. It is not an audible voice, although there are instances where He has spoken audibly. He speaks to your heart and guides you. In the 60’s-70’s we heard a lot about your own “truth,” and "I have my truth," and "you have your truth." There can only be one truth. People became right in their own eyes. We heard that all religions led to the same place. You could get to heaven by any number of ways, by any religion or by doing good. You can never be good enough by your own works. But Jesus said,“I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father but by Me.”(John 14). When you know Jesus He brings light and life.
I know I don't explain things as well as foxy, but I hope you understand what I'm saying.
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Post by foxy on Feb 5, 2024 18:46:54 GMT -5
What you are saying is true corrina. There are so many false teachers who claim to speak the Gospel truth, but the Holy Spirit within us shows us they are not of a kindred spirit. They come in the name of Jesus and many appear to be good shepherds, but they preach unbiblical man-made dogma and false doctrine. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. My Theology professor told us the Bible is treated by some as an old fiddle, they can and do play any tune they want on it. Whole doctrines have been made out an isolated or misquoted piece of Scripture but Scripture must back Scripture. Be very careful how you handle the Word of God.
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Post by justme on Feb 5, 2024 18:52:03 GMT -5
I think someone up there is really pissed at California lately!
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Post by Belle on Feb 5, 2024 21:33:56 GMT -5
I usually skip religious conversations,.....but,..
Luke 23:43 - The Thief On The Cross Contradiction
In Luke 23:43 we read of Jesus saying,“Today you will be with Me in Paradise.” But in John 20:1-17 we read that Jesus meets Mary in the garden on the first day of the week and says, 'Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them,‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’(John 20:17).
We can see that Jesus could not have been with the thief in heavenly paradise that Friday if he had still not ascended to the Father on Sunday. Is this a contradiction? It would seem to be so on the surface. But what if the comma was after the word today instead of before it? The meaning would change completely. Let's read the passage again, what if Jesus was saying,“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”(Luke 23:43). If the comma is placed after the word today, it shows Jesus being emphatic on that day of his crucifixion, saying, today when I am dying on the stake with no apparent hope, I am promising that you will be with me in paradise eventually. However, if the comma is inserted before the word today, Jesus would then be promising that the thief would be with Him that very day in paradise; thus making Jesus a liar and also contradicting John 20:17.
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Post by foxy on Feb 5, 2024 22:16:01 GMT -5
Punctuation aside, Belle , Paradise was the place where all the faithful who died before Jesus' atoning death & resurrection were waiting to be liberated by the promised Messaiah (also called Abraham's Bosom in Luke 16:19-31.) Their sins had been covered by the blood of sacrificial lambs and scapegoats, but not fully cleansed so they could not enter Heaven and be in the direct presence of God. At the moment of His death, the Earth shook and the heavy veil in the Temple separating worshippers from God's presence in the Holy of Holies ripped apart from top to bottom signifying the final sacrifice had been made and those cleansed by Jesus' blood would no longer be separated from God's presence. Jesus went first to Paradise to release the faithful whose sins He had removed once and for all. This was why He had not yet resurrected his physical body which had been left in the tomb.
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Post by fuzzems on Feb 6, 2024 9:32:14 GMT -5
Punctuation aside, Belle , Paradise was the place where all the faithful who died before Jesus' atoning death & resurrection were waiting to be liberated by the promised Messaiah (also called Abraham's Bosom in Luke 16:19-31.) Their sins had been covered by the blood of sacrificial lambs and scapegoats, but not fully cleansed so they could not enter Heaven and be in the direct presence of God. At the moment of His death, the Earth shook and the heavy veil in the Temple separating worshippers from God's presence in the Holy of Holies ripped apart from top to bottom signifying the final sacrifice had been made and those cleansed by Jesus' blood would no longer be separated from God's presence. Jesus went first to Paradise to release the faithful whose sins He had removed once and for all. This was why He had not yet resurrected his physical body which had been left in the tomb. Thank you for educating her. It’s a full time job .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 13:54:18 GMT -5
Belle could give you lessons fuzzems,
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Post by foxy on Feb 6, 2024 15:01:33 GMT -5
I'm thinking of that agonizing moment when Jesus cried out "Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani"(My God, why have you forsaken me.) Jesus, who never knew separation from His Father, had taken upon himself the sins that separated mankind from God and for the first time felt the pain of God's punishment. As terrible as the pain of the cross was, it was nothing in comparison to being shut out from His Father which was the fate of those He had come to redeem. This was a pivotal moment in time for not only the living and those yet to be born in the centuries to come, but also for those who had passed prior to Jesus' incarnation. Those who were separated from God waiting for the promised Messaiah to pay the price of their sins which makes fallen man ineligible for entrance to Heaven. I think of His suffering in the garden as He prayed to His Father prior to His arrest. He knew what was coming and asked if God would take this from Him, but He made His choice to finish His mission in complete obedience to His Father.
We've all heard the story told in countless Churches, seen depictions of the passion of Christ in numerous movies, but have we fully comprehended what His sacrifice means to each of us individually?
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