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Post by John on Jul 7, 2024 16:52:48 GMT -5
Shes not your wife . Maybe common law. Depends on the state. Ehy try to use the terms of marriage if it’s meaningless? Because after 35 years calling her my "girlfriend" sounds rather silly and because we are more committed than most legally married people. But of course you will make something of anything personal shared. And I never said marriage was meaningless. Do you consider her your wife, and does she consider you, her husband? If you were to split up, would you see yourself as being divorced or having never been married? I believe it is possible to be married without government involvement, but most who choose not to have a marriage license do so because they are not fully committed. They are wanting to be able to easily walk away if they don't get along and they want to say they have never been married. God knows our heart. It sounds like you and your girlfriend moved in together and just remained together, but I don't know. If things got tough, do you need a piece of paper to remain a couple? Ever since the government started licensing gay couples, I came to the conclusion I don't need them to sanction marriage. That is between a man and a woman and God, but I do think there should be some kind of something making it clear they are married, like a church issued paper, names in a Family Bible, a ceremony before witnesses, etc.
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Post by John on Jul 7, 2024 16:56:59 GMT -5
There are still many of us who take marriage vows seriously, but the divorce rate is much too high. That is a symptom of the times and the lack of morality, but I know many couples that have remained together for decades. My parents remained together till my father passed away at the age of 83. With divorce rate being so high, I cannot believe so many of you take it that serious. Just saying. Because many of us still believe in marriage as an institution till death do us part. Many of us still hold to the same values they did in the days when there were real families like the Cleavers. We haven't "evolved" with the times. We believe the old ways are best. As high as divorce rates are, the last time I looked, more than half of married couples remain together. The divorce rate is alarming, but it is not as high as some believe.
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Post by fuzzems on Jul 7, 2024 17:08:40 GMT -5
You want to take something that has been established for centuries that you claim you don't like but then you want to use the language of it and then you want to redefine it .
If you don't want to be married then don't be. But, why use terms like husband or wife then. Own your choices.
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Post by Justice-4-All on Jul 7, 2024 17:19:50 GMT -5
I've avoided this discussion for the most part. It is not fun pointing out the hypocrisies of some for it is not my place to judge their damnation. That said, the Bible was very clear in its promise. A promise that those on the right have spent decades mocking. Believing is much more than lip service. You should practice the words of your stated belief, or else. The "or else" is equally written in the Bible and if you have read the Bible, you know that some are not as they need you be. That said, we all take moments to reflect upon our time here, and I'm sure most if not all have helped our fellow man to some degree. I think the question is has your help ever been restricted by Race, Color, Sexuality, Religion, or some other reason to justify allowing a continued suffering. My personal plight has always been, and an area of moral clarity is: you're in front of someone who's suffering and you have the tools at your disposal to alleviate that suffering or even eradicate it, then the only thing you must do is act. No discussion, just act.- JM2C I have always tried to be courteous and even helpful to anyone in need, and have not refused to help someone because of anything, but that is not the point. The government has no business mandating I associate with anyone. That is my decision alone. While I would assist a man or woman in trouble, even if they were obviously homosexual, I would not condone their behavior. I would not celebrate Pride Month with them. I would not participate or attend a gay wedding. On the other hand, if they were hungry or needed help, of course I would help them. Still, that is something each person has to decide on their own. Forcing people to help others is playing Robin Hood. I do not support the government being used that way. People should give as they desire to give when it comes to alms, and yes, I have read the Bible through more than 20 times. I know what it says. Hence you appear to want a discussion, which I clearly said there was none. Maybe instead of announcing the quantity of times you have read the Bible; say how many more times will it take to understand it. It is more than clear what you believe, the question that continues to remain is how and if that belief is produced from follow his word. I can give my judgement if you wish, but I'd rather you decide for yourself. Your judgement I'm sure will not be based on anything, I think. Cool?
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Post by fuzzems on Jul 7, 2024 17:20:50 GMT -5
Science is constantly proved all the time. You see, if we take something like any fiction, any holy book… and destroyed it, in a thousand years’ time, that wouldn’t come back just as it was. Whereas if we took every science book, and every fact, and destroyed them all, in a thousand years they’d all be back, because all the same tests would [produce] the same result. Ricky Gervais Tags: atheist, atheist-argument, faith, science-and-religion That's a false statement. Science is not "proven". It is either supported or unsupported by the data, studies, etc. It's never "proven".
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Post by fuzzems on Jul 7, 2024 17:23:48 GMT -5
I have always tried to be courteous and even helpful to anyone in need, and have not refused to help someone because of anything, but that is not the point. The government has no business mandating I associate with anyone. That is my decision alone. While I would assist a man or woman in trouble, even if they were obviously homosexual, I would not condone their behavior. I would not celebrate Pride Month with them. I would not participate or attend a gay wedding. On the other hand, if they were hungry or needed help, of course I would help them. Still, that is something each person has to decide on their own. Forcing people to help others is playing Robin Hood. I do not support the government being used that way. People should give as they desire to give when it comes to alms, and yes, I have read the Bible through more than 20 times. I know what it says. Hence you appear to want a discussion, which I clearly said there was none. Maybe instead of announcing the quantity of times you have read the Bible; say how many more times will it take to understand it. It is more than clear what you believe, the question that continues to remain is how and if that belief is produced from follow his word. I can give my judgement if you wish, but I'd rather you decide for yourself. Your judgement I'm sure will not be based on anything, I think. Cool? Mr. Pecksniffian
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Post by Justice-4-All on Jul 7, 2024 17:25:33 GMT -5
Science is constantly proved all the time. You see, if we take something like any fiction, any holy book… and destroyed it, in a thousand years’ time, that wouldn’t come back just as it was. Whereas if we took every science book, and every fact, and destroyed them all, in a thousand years they’d all be back, because all the same tests would [produce] the same result. Ricky Gervais Tags: atheist, atheist-argument, faith, science-and-religion That's a false statement. Science is not "proven". It is either supported or unsupported by the data, studies, etc. It's never "proven". Are you sure? What is it that you beath? A simple question that has been proven by, wait for it, Science.
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Post by John on Jul 7, 2024 17:29:00 GMT -5
I have always tried to be courteous and even helpful to anyone in need, and have not refused to help someone because of anything, but that is not the point. The government has no business mandating I associate with anyone. That is my decision alone. While I would assist a man or woman in trouble, even if they were obviously homosexual, I would not condone their behavior. I would not celebrate Pride Month with them. I would not participate or attend a gay wedding. On the other hand, if they were hungry or needed help, of course I would help them. Still, that is something each person has to decide on their own. Forcing people to help others is playing Robin Hood. I do not support the government being used that way. People should give as they desire to give when it comes to alms, and yes, I have read the Bible through more than 20 times. I know what it says. Hence you appear to want a discussion, which I clearly said there was none. Maybe instead of announcing the quantity of times you have read the Bible; say how many more times will it take to understand it. It is more than clear what you believe, the question that continues to remain is how and if that belief is produced from follow his word. I can give my judgement if you wish, but I'd rather you decide for yourself. Your judgement I'm sure will not be based on anything, I think. Cool? I do not believe you have any understanding of anything spiritual. You have admitted you are not a Christian and distanced yourself from the title of Christian. There are only two sides, servants of God and servants of the devil, which means you are serving Satan. Even rock singer Bob Dylin understood that. Jesus taught us to give alms, not seek government to help others. Jesus taught us not to condemn, but he also taught us to go and sin no more. Jesus taught us that those who continue to live in a sinful lifestyle will be cast into hell. The Apostle Paul made it clear that those who are effeminate will have no inheritance in the Kingdom of God. I do not generally listen to servants of the devil like you when they give spiritual advise, and I do recognize that your master does like to toss scripture around to deceive people. He can quote it, but even so, I will give you a chance. Step up to the podium and tell us all in what area we are being hypocritical. Share with us your brilliant insight into where Jesus told anyone to celebrate sin or where he condoned a sinful lifestyle. Show us how you can make the leap and think Jesus would condone liberal policies that you do like gay marriage and the murder of unborn children. Tell us oh spiritual Sprocket. Enlighten us with your brilliant light oh bearer of light.
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Post by Justice-4-All on Jul 7, 2024 17:29:16 GMT -5
Hence you appear to want a discussion, which I clearly said there was none. Maybe instead of announcing the quantity of times you have read the Bible; say how many more times will it take to understand it. It is more than clear what you believe, the question that continues to remain is how and if that belief is produced from follow his word. I can give my judgement if you wish, but I'd rather you decide for yourself. Your judgement I'm sure will not be based on anything, I think. Cool? Mr. Pecksniffian That is not my name... Is there a reason you bring an ugliness into this conversation where none has existed? Can I suggest the golden rule for you. Its lesson is one of importance, and you need it.
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Post by fuzzems on Jul 7, 2024 17:31:01 GMT -5
That is not my name... Is there a reason you bring an ugliness into this conversation where none has existed? Can I suggest the golden rule for you. Its lesson is one of importance, and you need it. As i said.....
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Post by fuzzems on Jul 7, 2024 17:31:37 GMT -5
That's a false statement. Science is not "proven". It is either supported or unsupported by the data, studies, etc. It's never "proven". Are you sure? What is it that you beath? A simple question that has been proven by, wait for it, Science. Yes, I am sure. I am sure you have never studied science in any way if you don't understand what I just said.
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Post by John on Jul 7, 2024 17:35:44 GMT -5
That is not my name... Is there a reason you bring an ugliness into this conversation where none has existed? Can I suggest the golden rule for you. Its lesson is one of importance, and you need it. Who the heck are you to think anyone cares what you think about spiritual matters when you have admitted you are not a Christian, or at least your alias did. You come across more like a Luciferian. I suppose that is making a judgment about you, but you have been making judgements about us. If something has changed, and you have had a come to Jesus moment, let me know. If you have, perhaps we can have a Bible study and examine exactly what the New Testament does teach when it comes to things like how we treat others, sin, homosexuality, even murder of babies.
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Post by naz on Jul 7, 2024 17:44:31 GMT -5
Because after 35 years calling her my "girlfriend" sounds rather silly and because we are more committed than most legally married people. But of course you will make something of anything personal shared. And I never said marriage was meaningless. Oh don't throw down your victim card. I didn't make "something " out of what you said . You are saying our marriages don't mean what we say they mean so that's pretty personal. But, it's not our fault you don't have some other term for you your relationship and situation. Why co-opt the terms of marriage when you don't wish to married. And sorry, i don't know anyone who has a wife that puts that term in quotes . She is either is or she isn't. So why not own the approach that you wish to take. Husband and Wife are terms of marriage. So, if you wish to have some other arrangement, fine and dandy but you don't get to steal the terms of marriage and re-define them to suit you. I do not answer to you. You do not know me or what I want or what the situation is. And now you will be blocked again. Tired of your bs.
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Post by naz on Jul 7, 2024 17:46:18 GMT -5
And if it means so little, then why not get the 'piece of paper" which comes with some legal advantages? If it means nothing then it would mean nothing to sign and have it too. So the "piece of paper" means a LOT to you on some level that you try so hard to diss it. I NEVER dissed marriage! I stated that people no longer take it as seriously and that is sad.
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Post by fuzzems on Jul 7, 2024 17:49:47 GMT -5
Oh don't throw down your victim card. I didn't make "something " out of what you said . You are saying our marriages don't mean what we say they mean so that's pretty personal. But, it's not our fault you don't have some other term for you your relationship and situation. Why co-opt the terms of marriage when you don't wish to married. And sorry, i don't know anyone who has a wife that puts that term in quotes . She is either is or she isn't. So why not own the approach that you wish to take. Husband and Wife are terms of marriage. So, if you wish to have some other arrangement, fine and dandy but you don't get to steal the terms of marriage and re-define them to suit you. I do not answer to you. You do not know me or what I want or what the situation is. And now you will be blocked again. Tired of your bs. You are the one who brought up those points to try to make some headway or prove something. Then when you get called on it you won't stand up for your points.
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Post by naz on Jul 7, 2024 17:51:00 GMT -5
Because after 35 years calling her my "girlfriend" sounds rather silly and because we are more committed than most legally married people. But of course you will make something of anything personal shared. And I never said marriage was meaningless. Do you consider her your wife, and does she consider you, her husband? If you were to split up, would you see yourself as being divorced or having never been married? I believe it is possible to be married without government involvement, but most who choose not to have a marriage license do so because they are not fully committed. They are wanting to be able to easily walk away if they don't get along and they want to say they have never been married. God knows our heart. It sounds like you and your girlfriend moved in together and just remained together, but I don't know. If things got tough, do you need a piece of paper to remain a couple? Ever since the government started licensing gay couples, I came to the conclusion I don't need them to sanction marriage. That is between a man and a woman and God, but I do think there should be some kind of something making it clear they are married, like a church issued paper, names in a Family Bible, a ceremony before witnesses, etc. We are totally committed to one another and we have been through a lot. We are more married than many married people. We share all money and property. My commitment has really been put to the test since I became my wife's caregiver. But I intend to stick with her to the very end. Mine or hers whichever comes first.
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Post by Justice-4-All on Jul 7, 2024 17:51:04 GMT -5
Hence you appear to want a discussion, which I clearly said there was none. Maybe instead of announcing the quantity of times you have read the Bible; say how many more times will it take to understand it. It is more than clear what you believe, the question that continues to remain is how and if that belief is produced from follow his word. I can give my judgement if you wish, but I'd rather you decide for yourself. Your judgement I'm sure will not be based on anything, I think. Cool? I do not believe you have any understanding of anything spiritual. You have admitted you are not a Christian and distanced yourself from the title of Christian. There are only two sides, servants of God and servants of the devil, which means you are serving Satan. Even rock singer Bob Dylin understood that. Jesus taught us to give alms, not seek government to help others. Jesus taught us not to condemn, but he also taught us to go and sin no more. Jesus taught us that those who continue to live in a sinful lifestyle will be cast into hell. The Apostle Paul made it clear that those who are effeminate will have no inheritance in the Kingdom of God. I do not generally listen to servants of the devil like you when they give spiritual advise, and I do recognize that your master does like to toss scripture around to deceive people. He can quote it, but even so, I will give you a chance. Step up to the podium and tell us all in what area we are being hypocritical. Share with us your brilliant insight into where Jesus told anyone to celebrate sin or where he condoned a sinful lifestyle. Show us how you can make the leap and think Jesus would condone liberal policies that you do like gay marriage and the murder of unborn children. Tell us oh spiritual Sprocket. Enlighten us with your brilliant light oh bearer of light. Knowing how to say the words is a far cry from understanding their meanings. It is true I do not consider myself Christian. I have equally said, since you like to record my words, that Christianity is the closest religion to my understanding of the Bible. However, since you're putting Christianity out there as the only way to the father, show me where Christianity is declared as the only religion in the Bible.
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Post by fuzzems on Jul 7, 2024 17:51:14 GMT -5
Thank you for clarifying that. If a person marries their television set, would an employer have to provide health care and benefits for it? Well the whole idea is quite silly. T he marriage would really not mean anything. But then most marriages don't anyway.Sounds like a diss. As if you know about "most marriages".
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Post by fuzzems on Jul 7, 2024 17:52:49 GMT -5
Do you consider her your wife, and does she consider you, her husband? If you were to split up, would you see yourself as being divorced or having never been married? I believe it is possible to be married without government involvement, but most who choose not to have a marriage license do so because they are not fully committed. They are wanting to be able to easily walk away if they don't get along and they want to say they have never been married. God knows our heart. It sounds like you and your girlfriend moved in together and just remained together, but I don't know. If things got tough, do you need a piece of paper to remain a couple? Ever since the government started licensing gay couples, I came to the conclusion I don't need them to sanction marriage. That is between a man and a woman and God, but I do think there should be some kind of something making it clear they are married, like a church issued paper, names in a Family Bible, a ceremony before witnesses, etc. We are totally committed to one another and we have been through a lot. We are more married than many married people. We share all money and property. My commitment has really been put to the test since I became my wife's caregiver. But I intend to stick with her to the very end. Mine or hers whichever comes first. I have seen pics of you and her that you have posted. You both look like lovely sweet people and I am sure you have a great relationship. But, it's you who brought your relationship up and trying to co-opt "wife" in parenthesis. Nobody said a word about that until you tossed that out.
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Post by Justice-4-All on Jul 7, 2024 17:54:01 GMT -5
That is not my name... Is there a reason you bring an ugliness into this conversation where none has existed? Can I suggest the golden rule for you. Its lesson is one of importance, and you need it. Who the heck are you to think anyone cares what you think about spiritual matters when you have admitted you are not a Christian, or at least your alias did. You come across more like a Luciferian. I suppose that is making a judgment about you, but you have been making judgements about us. If something has changed, and you have had a come to Jesus moment, let me know. If you have, perhaps we can have a Bible study and examine exactly what the New Testament does teach when it comes to things like how we treat others, sin, homosexuality, even murder of babies. Apparently, I'm your worst nightmare, I've read and understood the Bible.
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